[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Of course they don't ,wonder why.

Because the last one posted was half an hour long

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Because the last one posted was half an hour long

Tbf though if we are to get a balanced view and we are willing to sit through 4 hours of accusations, we should at least watch some of the rebuttals, and I will Kazanne when I finish watching this one

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Tbf though if we are to get a balanced view and we are willing to sit through 4 hours of accusations, we should at least watch some of the rebuttals, and I will Kazanne when I finish watching this one

Yes but I don't think he's guilty because of that show, I've thought he was guilty for years because of how he behaves with young boys, stuff that no video can say is lies because it's right there in photos, videos and from MJs own mouth

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes but I don't think he's guilty because of that show, I've thought he was guilty for years because of how he behaves with young boys, stuff that no video can say is lies because it's right there in photos, videos and from MJs own mouth

Me totally ^^^^

[bots]

Any information that comes out now is nothing more than navel gazing unless it's accompanied by hard evidence. Thats why I havent bothered watching the latest documentary. It's been produced by a producer with a specific agenda so it can't be considered investigative journalism. I've thought Jackson was dodgy for many, many years, and my opinion is not going to change.

Also, somewhat amusing, the BBC are saying that they are not banning his music, the original topic of the thread

[chuff me dizzy]

I haven't watched any videos defending MJ as IMO he's indefensible ,and watching people in the videos making out he was a saint is too much for me, I have my opinion from MJ over many years and nothing can change my opinion of him ,as have his fans and no one should tell anyone else they are wrong for being in whichever camp they are in

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Because the last one posted was half an hour long

But you managed to watch a 4 hour one over 2 nights,surely if you were unbiased you would watch half an hour

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

But you managed to watch a 4 hour one over 2 nights,surely if you were unbiased you would watch half an hour

Yes an actual properly made documentary not some you tube ****e

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes an actual properly made documentary not some you tube ****e

So because it was on YouTube it's ****e, actual footage and interviews , yes I guess something made to look so sombre ,so cold and scripted would probably fit some peoples notions of him.How would you know anyway as you haven't seen them.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So because it was on YouTube it's ****e, actual footage and interviews , yes I guess something made to look so sombre ,so cold and scripted would probably fit some peoples notions of him.How would you know anyway as you haven't seen them.

I've seen plenty of creepy footage of MJ over the years to base my opinion on thanks, I love how you think yours video is the only one that counts though

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I've seen plenty of creepy footage of MJ over the years to base my opinion on thanks, I love how you think yours video is the only one that counts though

They are not my videos ,I just posted them I was sent them to post, if you debate things fairly surely we look at all sides so they are not hurting are they? but it's obvious you are not interested but some people maybe they are the ones they are aimed at.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I've seen plenty of creepy footage of MJ over the years to base my opinion on thanks, I love how you think yours video is the only one that counts though

Now Niamh, there's no need for this condescention. She didn't say it was the only one that counts. There's no harm, the opposite, it is strongly advised to watch material presenting different picture to the ch4 documentary. If you want to have as full a picture as possible that is. If you have an open mind.

[chuff me dizzy]

Out of respect to Kazanne I will watch one of the videos she posted when I get a spare hour today

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Now Niamh, there's no need for this condescention. She didn't say it was the only one that counts. There's no harm, the opposite, it is strongly advised to watch material presenting different picture to the ch4 documentary. If you want to have as full a picture as possible that is. If you have an open mind.

Now TS, practice what you preach

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So because it was on YouTube it's ****e, actual footage and interviews , yes I guess something made to look so sombre ,so cold and scripted would probably fit some peoples notions of him.How would you know anyway as you haven't seen them.

Anything, which does not contain analytical expansion or analysis of what is being claimed.
Therefore presented as you say in this weighted, non challenging way, as this programme was.

In my view, should be treated with sceptism.
What were they afraid of if questioned and challenged.

Whereas the videos you posted, which I knew would be poo pooed as I said.

They, as the court case and all other facts, contained in the video you posted, don't fit the agenda of those thinking and wanting MJ guilty and pilloried.

You were right before too, when you said MJ wanted to fight the Chandler issue publicly in court.

MJs lawyer was pressed on that in your video, where he clearly stated the settling of that was done without MJs approval, against his wishes.

It won't matter because the lawyer won't be believed either over these 2 in this programme.

MJ did fight all charges brought, all through.
Challenged all and won.
That says far more about these 2 now in my view.