[Niamh.]

Nancy re quoting your own posts is spamming

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Nancy re quoting your own posts is spamming

I quoted my post but forgot to add the additional information but must've edited at the exact time as you replied, so people would know what I was talking about, but thanks anyway.

[GoldHeart]

Yeah how was Safechuck abused on a train that wasn't built yet ??? .

The pool area was another place of abuse apparently ? , but there was surveillance & people around.

The famous bedroom with the mirror is actually 2 way and Oprah & MJ were sat looking at it .

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Nancy re quoting your own posts is spamming

Originally Posted by Nancy.

I quoted my post but forgot to add the additional information but must've edited at the exact time as you replied, so people would know what I was talking about, but thanks anyway.

Yeah, quoting your own post and adding info is fine, have done it myself a few times. Just quoting it with a '.' or something is just spamming really.

Seems this was maybe the second, then was changed to the first? Or something. Either way, how the quoted post is now is obviously fine..I can't actually see what it was, as my 'view edits' button is not working right for some reason..

Possibly a pointless post (mine)

[Kazanne]

Wouldn't you think if someone was a peadophile with such a career MJ had that they would have been VERY secretive about it as they would know such a claim would ruin them,but MJ was completely open about it all,like he had nothing to hide and I believe he didn't. I wonder why as soon as you say you have slept in the same bed as a child ,you are automatically branded a molester or potential one,there are other things to enjoy in bed, why does the worst always come to peoples minds ? You can love kids and their company without anything sinister going on up top( or bottom),if he had been a woman would the story be different ?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Wouldn't you think if someone was a peadophile with such a career MJ had that they would have been VERY secretive about it as they would know such a claim would ruin them,but MJ was completely open about it all,like he had nothing to hide and I believe he didn't. I wonder why as soon as you say you have slept in the same bed as a child ,you are automatically branded a molester or potential one,there are other things to enjoy in bed, why does the worst always come to peoples minds ? You can love kids and their company without anything sinister going on up top( or bottom),if he had been a woman would the story be different ?

And according to Safechuck & Robson he spent alot of time abusing them both without being seen. Wasn't he busy writing music or spending time with his family or friends . or having business meetings and going on tour and being interviewed??? .

The places they claim MJ abused them have plot holes and doesn't make sense like the Train for example that hadn't been built yet .

When Bashire stitched MJ up with that badly edited documentary , he hurt MJ with the whole "kids sleeping in bed" . You could see he was upset and he said "you're thinking sexual but it isn't" .

Yeah Kaz i can't help but think the same if he was Shania Twain or Dolly Parton what would the reaction of been then to kids having sleepovers ?? interesting we'll never know . And would the media twist the truth and say Dolly only prefers little girls in her bedroom .

We can all agree that Mj's behaviour was inappropriate to have kids stay at his home and sleep there , but to automatically think "paedophile" is a serious leap and damaging accusation which taints his legacy.

MJ was used to sharing bedrooms and beds as he was growing up , what's normal to him is different to other people .


Innocent things get taken out of context and sadly there's a perverse distorted view of things .

Even the old Batman tv series was considered weird by some corrie actress who thought it was weird looking back at Batman being friends with Robin who's a young boy , people see what they want to see and we all know there was nothing perverted about Batman & Robin .

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

And according to Safechuck & Robson he spent alot of time abusing them both without being seen. Wasn't he busy writing music or spending time with his family or friends . or having business meetings and going on tour and being interviewed??? .

The places they claim MJ abused them have plot holes and doesn't make sense like the Train for example that hadn't been built yet .

When Bashire stitched MJ up with that badly edited documentary , he hurt MJ with the whole "kids sleeping in bed" . You could see he was upset and he said "you're thinking sexual but it isn't" .

Yeah Kaz i can't help but think the same if he was Shania Twain or Dolly Parton what would the reaction of been then to kids having sleepovers ?? interesting we'll never know . And would the media twist the truth and say Dolly only prefers little girls in her bedroom .

We can all agree that Mj's behaviour was inappropriate to have kids stay at his home and sleep there , but to automatically think "paedophile" is a serious leap and damaging accusation which taints his legacy.

MJ was used to sharing bedrooms and beds as he was growing up , what's normal to him is different to other people .


Innocent things get taken out of context and sadly there's a perverse distorted view of things .

Even the old Batman tv series was considered weird by some corrie actress who thought it was weird looking back at Batman being friends with Robin who's a young boy , people see what they want to see and we all know there was nothing perverted about Batman & Robin .

Excellent post Goldheart and of course I agree,I think him having those kids there in this climate was ill thought out , but in no way was it to hurt any of them. but they say karma is a bitch,lets see how this 'claim' progresses.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Excellent post Goldheart and of course I agree,I think him having those kids there in this climate was ill thought out , but in no way was it to hurt any of them. but they say karma is a bitch,lets see how this 'claim' progresses.

Alot of what Mj was doing was charity work to help kids and he had sick kids stay there , and that bedroom Safechuck lied about is actually set up so that kids can watch movies /cartoons. it was in an old Oprah interview which i can't find atm . And the other kids that stayed there were allowed because MJ always asked the parents permission.

From the old home movies i've from Nerverland , MJ just looks like a big kid himself enjoying himself doing things he missed out on as a kid.

Notice Kaz how these accusations seem to be every 10 years aswell .

Youtube video

[Kazanne]

From The mirror, isn't this the truth ?by Will-I-am
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainm...cid=spartanntp

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

From The mirror, isn't this the truth ?by Will-I-am
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainm...cid=spartanntp

It’s no more the truth than the accusers.

It’s not for money it’s for racist reasons.

Come on kazanne the opinion of a another black singer don’t make it the truth.

Common sense makes you question why a grown man wants kids in his bed.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

From The mirror, isn't this the truth ?by Will-I-am
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainm...cid=spartanntp

The Elephant in the room is most definitely RACISM , if it wasn't then Harvey Weinstein's documentary & the publicity surrounding it wouldn't get pushed on the back burner . Oprah is protecting Weinstein her friend despite numerous women saying he took advantage & abused them . Why isn't Oprah interviewing these women? When there's a lot more evidence to back their claims up .

Why is MJ being used as the scape goat for the #metoo movement & child abuse awareness campaign .

H & M has removed any clothing with MJ on , yet they keep rock stars & rock & roll people who have been accused of sleeping / having intimate relationships with under age girls.

There's a lot of perverse behaviour in Hollywood that Corey Feldman tried to address ,but that gets ignored by people. And so much hypocrisy . MJ was found innocent.

It's ridiculous how they're trying to erase history & mute MJ , the bandwagon & outcry is ludicrous , they're painting him as a monster .

[Beso]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

The Elephant in the room is most definitely RACISM , if it wasn't then Harvey Weinstein's documentary & the publicity surrounding it wouldn't get pushed on the back burner . Oprah is protecting Weinstein her friend despite numerous women saying he took advantage & abused them . Why isn't Oprah interviewing these women? When there's a lot more evidence to back their claims up .

Why is MJ being used as the scape goat for the #metoo movement & child abuse awareness campaign .

H & M has removed any clothing with MJ on , yet they keep rock stars & rock & roll people who have been accused of sleeping / having intimate relationships with under age girls.

There's a lot of perverse behaviour in Hollywood that Corey Feldman tried to address ,but that gets ignored by people. And so much hypocrisy . MJ was found innocent.

It's ridiculous how they're trying to erase history & mute MJ , the bandwagon & outcry is ludicrous , they're painting him as a monster .

He bloody was a monster..I believe he was a rampant as Saville.

[Beso]

Thanksgiving Day in 1987 is on Thursday, November 26



He had some free time I see...perhaps he went after all.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Thanksgiving Day in 1987 is on Thursday, November 26



He had some free time I see...perhaps he went after all.

November 13, 1987 Melbourne Australia Olympic Park Stadium
November 20, 1987 Sydney Parramatta Stadium
November 21, 1987
November 27, 1987 Brisbane Brisbane Entertainment Centre
November 28, 1987

[Beso]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

November 13, 1987 Melbourne Australia Olympic Park Stadium
November 20, 1987 Sydney Parramatta Stadium
November 21, 1987
November 27, 1987 Brisbane Brisbane Entertainment Centre
November 28, 1987

Plenty time to visit if he accepted the invitation, has that question been answered yet, wether michael accepted the invitation or declined it?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Plenty time to visit if he accepted the invitation, has that question been answered yet, wether michael accepted the invitation or declined it?

He was touring in Australia , Safechuck says MJ had thanksgiving dinner but he couldn't of if he was touring ,you saw the dates .

That's like saying someone spent Christmas with you but actually they were on holiday during the whole Christmas period .

[Beso]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

He was touring in Australia , Safechuck says MJ had thanksgiving dinner but he couldn't of if he was touring ,you saw the dates .

That's like saying someone spent Christmas with you but actually they were on holiday during the whole Christmas period .

It just says he invited him, it doesn't say if he accepted or not...plus he could have flew back and forth in time...I doubt he would do that though so I am assuming mj just declined the invitation...I dunno but wasnt robson Australian? ...maybe in Michaels sick tiny mind he would have seen it as cheating.

[Nancy.]

Going back to the room above the Train Station where Safechuck claimed he had sex with MJ before the abuse stopped in 92, Here's the building permits for it dated Sept 93 - January 94.







I guess Safechuck must've been a time traveller.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

Going back to the room above the Train Station where Safechuck claimed he had sex with MJ before the abuse stopped in 92, Here's the building permits for it dated Sept 93 - January 94.







I guess Safechuck must've been a time traveller.

How old was he then nancy?

Michael could have been telling him about how he was so excited about making this special room...so I think it's very important to find out his age at the time.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

Going back to the room above the Train Station where Safechuck claimed he had sex with MJ before the abuse stopped in 92, Here's the building permits for it dated Sept 93 - January 94.







I guess Safechuck must've been a time traveller.

Apparently inconsistent timelines & contradictory dates doesn't matter Nancy .

As Wade & James were so traumatised they changed their stories a million times so we're all meant to accept it .

If James says MJ lost interest in him after 93 that makes no sense , as he's seen holding an umbrella for him aged 16 or something. And the train station was built after MJ "moved on " from James

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Thanksgiving Day in 1987 is on Thursday, November 26



He had some free time I see...perhaps he went after all.

C'mon now Parmy ,surely you have to admit those two at at least are guarded with the truth,whatever you think of MJ is your belief but some of this doesn't really add up .

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

C.mon now Parmy ,surely you have to admit those two at at least are guarded with the truth,whatever you think of MJ is your belief but some of this doesn't really add up .

I honestly believe it's because mj turned them into paedophiles as well..a bit like the lost Boys. MJ as the leader grooming all the outcasts like fagan.

And sorry m8 but I do honestly think they acted as a group together to entice and engage with many many hidden visitors to the ranch in the end once they became a little to old for michael.

[AnnieK]

This is going to sound sarcastic, but please believe me, it isn't but IF some irrefutable evidence came out to prove MJ did have sexual relationships with these or other boys, would you guys then condemn him or still believe, as Streisand obviously does, that his upbringing were to blame and so in some way his actions can be excused?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

This is going to sound sarcastic, but please believe me, it isn't but IF some irrefutable evidence came out to prove MJ did have sexual relationships with these or other boys, would you guys then condemn him or still believe, as Streisand obviously does, that his upbringing were to blame and so in some way his actions can be excused?

Can you answer this? I only ask after a discussion I had with another MJ fan....am interested.if their opinion is shared amongst other fans / supporters

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

This is going to sound sarcastic, but please believe me, it isn't but IF some irrefutable evidence came out to prove MJ did have sexual relationships with these or other boys, would you guys then condemn him or still believe, as Streisand obviously does, that his upbringing were to blame and so in some way his actions can be excused?

But... they don't believe that he did. So if some irrefutable evidence came out then that would be it.

When discussing his own upbringing, I've only ever seen people use it to understand or explain his behaviour, never excuse it.