[arista]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

only if both of the sides are acting in good faith!

Of Course the Man in Charge
of this 2nd Demo
spoke on SkyNewsHD

He is working with the police
to not have the Terrorist backers
this time

[Liam-]

Such a weasley way to admit to lying about someone to stir up more hatred towards them and personally, the people who choose to lie on air, Kay Burley, should be the ones made to go on air and admit to those lies, a massive cop out getting someone else to do it

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Such a weasley way to admit to lying about someone to stir up more hatred towards them and personally, the people who choose to lie on air, Kay Burley, should be the ones made to go on air and admit to those lies, a massive cop out getting someone else to do it

yes she should have she is far too smug

[MTVN]

How true this paragraph is

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

How true this paragraph is

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[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by MTVN

How true this paragraph is

Very nicely put.

What is it about this particular conflict that gets so much attention, and what makes it so important to those with a particular political slant?

What makes them side with, and want to further empower, a movement which goes against everything we're meant to stand for? Only one side in that conflict treats women, gays, and non-believers as human beings.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by MTVN

How true this paragraph is

seems to me a lot of people don't really think much about who they are getting into bed with metaphorically speaking. As long as they're the enemy of their enemy...

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

seems to me a lot of people don't really think much about who they are getting into bed with metaphorically speaking. As long as they're the enemy of their enemy...

See, I usually dismiss claims that "the left is antisemitic", and with the likes of Jeremy Corbyn I see it more as he being dismissive/not seeing it as racism so not treating it as such, rather than him actually holding actively antisemitic views.

That's a very fumbled way of saying I don't really think lefties in general (or Corbyn specifically) hold antisemitic views.

BUT - as that quote pointed out, why on earth would anyone actually advocate for Palestine, given the way Hamas treats their citizens and the views they hold? Could it be to do with who their enemy is?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

How true this paragraph is

The error in logic is assuming that because you recognise that one thing is wrong, you necessarily have to believe that the opposing side is right.

Hamas and the State of Israel can both be fundamentally wrong. I don't find that particularly hard to wrap my head around but for most people it seems to be impossible.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

The error in logic is assuming that because you recognise that one thing is wrong, you necessarily have to believe that the opposing side is right.

Hamas and the State of Israel can both be fundamentally wrong. I don't find that particularly hard to wrap my head around but for most people it seems to be impossible.

It's a pretty reasonable assumption for those who do attend these protests, chant that chant and rub shoulders with people who glorify violence

Appreciate that many people can see that both sides are wrong but they're not usually the ones at marches

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's a pretty reasonable assumption for those who do attend these protests, chant that chant and rub shoulders with people who glorify violence

Appreciate that many people can see that both sides are wrong but they're not usually the ones at marches

key point

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's a pretty reasonable assumption for those who do attend these protests, chant that chant and rub shoulders with people who glorify violence

Appreciate that many people can see that both sides are wrong but they're not usually the ones at marches

Yes but when you point this out in one group and condemn them but remain silent on the other a clear bias is revealed. Where is the counterbalance? Where is it being pointed out that hardcore Zionists are, in this sense, no different to those chanting for Palestine?

... Do we for some reason now believe that hard-line one state pro Israel fundamentalists are forward-thinking?

A zealot is a zealot.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Yes but when you point this out in one group and condemn them but remain silent on the other a clear bias is revealed. Where is the counterbalance? Where is it being pointed out that hardcore Zionists are, in this sense, no different to those chanting for Palestine?

... Do we for some reason now believe that hard-line one state pro Israel fundamentalists are forward-thinking?

A zealot is a zealot.

I don't see them marching in UK Cities, have you?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by MTVN

How true this paragraph is

It's really not that clever a point, and it's been rubbished countless times.

It's also ready-bake copypasta sloganeering that begs an "And?"

What's your "And?" to this? That Palestine shouldn't be free because their current cultural and societal views are radically different to your own? That protesting against historical systematic oppression should only be done for tribes at a certain benchmark of societal evolution?

Granted I'm a layman who only dabbles in history, but a cursory glance at it would tell you that when people are engaged in a literal existential struggle, it's not fertile soil for much of any other kind of major overhauls to their way of life.

It's reductive, sneering discourse peddled by arch cynics who've driven up their own arses to build camp out of a cul-de-sac. The giveaway is that you could still word that point the exact same had Hamas never fired a rocket. You could deliver it with the same rotten sentiment, so it deserves to stand alone and be taken apart alone, on its own merit.

"Don't you be telling me about the misfortunes of brown Muslim children as an atheist democrat!"

Please.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Stu

It's really not that clever a point, and it's been rubbished countless times.

It's also ready-bake copypasta sloganeering that begs an "And?"

What's your "And?" to this? That Palestine shouldn't be free because their current cultural and societal views are radically different to your own? That protesting against historical systematic oppression should only be done for tribes at a certain benchmark of societal evolution?

Granted I'm a layman who only dabbles in history, but a cursory glance at it would tell you that when people are engaged in a literal existential struggle, it's not fertile soil for much of any other kind of major overhauls to their way of life.

It's reductive, sneering discourse peddled by arch cynics who've driven up their own arses to build camp out of a cul-de-sac. The giveaway is that you could still word that point the exact same had Hamas never fired a rocket. You could deliver it with the same rotten sentiment, so it deserves to stand alone and be taken apart alone, on its own merit.

"Don't you be telling me about the misfortunes of brown Muslim children as an atheist democrat!"

Please.

Well it's a newspaper opinion piece so will be a bit editorial but it's great writing imo

That phrase in particular is a very loaded one which many people consider to be anti-Semitic because it basically calls for the elimination of Israel as a state. Even if you argue it doesn't mean that, it's still divisive and contentious yet will be parroted by many who often blind themselves to the sensitivities of the conflict and to the true colours of their allies because they romanticise the Palestinian cause.

The 'and' is that maybe they should take a step back and think about who they are supporting and think about why so many Jewish people now feel unsafe in the UK and Europe. The 'and' is that maybe there should be more acknowledgement that aspects of Palestinian leadership are part of the problem and also contributing to death. It's not sneering at them for holding radically different views, it's about what those views mean for Jewish people and people in Israel. I think instead people would often rather overlook that and instead just reassure themselves - 'I don't hate Jews though'.

Interesting to refer to a 'literal existential struggle' because for many people in Israel that basically sums up the history of the Jewish race.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by MTVN

How true this paragraph is

It's bigoted tosh, not intellectual beauty. Fcuking hell.

[arista]

The Good News
Aid Trucks have, now gone from Egypt
through to Southern Gaza for
Supply for Hospitals

[Nicky91]

Youtube video

live feed in London, a pro-palestine protest

[Nicky91]

The Hague, Netherlands today another pro-palestine protest rally

Several hundred pro-Palestinian demonstrators marched from the Transvaal Park in The Hague to the Zuiderpark on Saturday morning.

Before the march, an Islamic prayer was held and an address was given to the crowd. "This march is not a march of aggression, but of peace," the speaker said. Through the march, the participants want to draw attention to the "injustices in the world and especially in Palestine."

Some participants brought Palestinian flags as well as protest signs and banners reading "Free Palestine." In addition, participants accused Israel of terrorism and shouted "Allahu Akbar." There is also one participant waving a green flag with Arabic text. The flag resembles that of Hamas, a group that is considered a terrorist organization by the EU, among others, but it is not. The police in The Hague wrote on X that the flag is not punishable.

The march ended in the Zuiderpark. There, several speeches were given from a small stage, calling for, among other things, to hang up the Palestinian flag and to boycott products from Israel. There were also prayers and a moment of silence. The demonstration ended just before 1:30 p.m.

The march was accompanied by the police, who are present with vans, horses, and bicycles, among other things. In addition, volunteers from the neighborhood also accompany the march.

police of The Hague regarding arabic texts on palestinian flag banners, only if there are insulting texts on that, they will intervene (they have a translator with them as we speak)

[arista]

20 Aid Trucks have gone through.

But No Fuel, on them.


CNN HD USA on UK TV.

[arista]

[live feed in London, a pro-palestine protest]


Thank You, Nicky, for posting
a Good Live Link

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Police are investigating a Tube driver who has been slammed for leading a chant of "free, free Palestine" on a London Underground train.

Minister for London Paul Scully said staff should "focus on the day job" and warned against stoking tension in the capital following Hamas’ deadly attack on Israel two weeks ago, after footage of the chant circulated on social media on Saturday afternoon.

Conservative mayoral candidate Susan Hall told The Independent the behaviour was “completely unacceptable”.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...75e780c45&ei=8


He should be sacked, everyone should feel safe on public transport in the UK

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Police are investigating a Tube driver who has been slammed for leading a chant of "free, free Palestine" on a London Underground train.

Minister for London Paul Scully said staff should "focus on the day job" and warned against stoking tension in the capital following Hamas’ deadly attack on Israel two weeks ago, after footage of the chant circulated on social media on Saturday afternoon.

Conservative mayoral candidate Susan Hall told The Independent the behaviour was “completely unacceptable”.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...75e780c45&ei=8


He should be sacked, everyone should feel safe on public transport in the UK

Unfortunately, TFL bosses are unable to identify the tube driver in question, though this happened on the Central line on Saturday morning God help us all if there ever is an accident on the tube if that is the case.

Meanwhile Mayor Khan attended the Madonna concert at the weekend and so far appears not to have commented on events that happen on his transport system, what a shame he has plenty to say on ULEZ

Meanwhile shoutiing Jiihad on London streets while the MET looks on appears to have a different meaniing in this case

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

London Transport Police
are now looking into this Tube Driver.

Was Reported, that's all
On BBC1HD London News.


They must remove him from that job
as he said that on the Speakers of that Tube train
fast.