[Kazanne]

If Boris can bring things like this to pass,he's ok by me
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=spartanntp

LONG overdue imo.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

If Boris can bring things like this to pass,he's ok by me
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=spartanntp

LONG overdue imo.

Yep good move

[lime]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

If Boris can bring things like this to pass,he's ok by me
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=spartanntp

LONG overdue imo.

Sure ..I don't think anyone would disagree with that.
Problem is his party has been in power for a decade and have not pursued this.

It's election time and he neglets to acknoledge the facts that he backed the cuts to the police..health care..social services..Why do the British public choose to run with a marvel comic characther and not challenge him on this is beyond me

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by lime

Sure ..I don't think anyone would disagree with that.
Problem is his party has been in power for a decade and have not pursued this.

It's election time and he neglets to acknoledge the facts that he backed the cuts to the police..health care..social services..Why do the British public choose to run with a marvel comic characther and not challenge him on this is beyond me

And it seems he wants to put that right,maybe he has realised less police is not a good idea etc, he,imo is no more untrustworthy than any of the others,and whatever names you call him ie, a marvel comic character, does not make me change my mind anyway,there are several names I could call the opposition,but imo it doesn't change a thing.

[lime]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

And it seems he wants to put that right,maybe he has realised less police is not a good idea etc, he,imo is no more untrustworthy than any of the others,and whatever names you call him ie, a marvel comic character, does not make me change my mind anyway,there are several names I could call the opposition,but imo it doesn't change a thing.

But Kazanne you fail to understand that we in EU do not want you to change your mind or vote.Why did he accept those cuts and now change his mind?

Maybe he has just realised...Your having a laugh.

He knew it then and he knows it now.

I don't refer to him as a Marvel comic characther as an insult...He refers to himself as one

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

If Boris can bring things like this to pass,he's ok by me
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=spartanntp

LONG overdue imo.

Populist campaigning propaganda that will be conveniently forgotten as soon as its served its purpose

[Nicky91]

uk will be leaving the EU, a deal or a no deal, or a kick under the arse by the EU

majority of people voted to leave in 2016, so if this brexit is revoked it is a serious blow to democracy in the uk


''leave means leave'' and make it ASAP pls, i am sick and tired seeing this brexit news mess invade our dutch breakfast news either

[lime]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

uk will be leaving the EU, a deal or a no deal, or a kick under the arse by the EU

majority of people voted to leave in 2016, so if this brexit is revoked it is a serious blow to democracy in the uk


''leave means leave'' and make it ASAP pls, i am sick and tired seeing this brexit news mess invade our dutch breakfast news either

True Nicky..

Leave means leave..We in the EU have our own domestic issues to be getting on with..What will a 2nd referendum solve?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by lime

True Nicky..

Leave means leave..We in the EU have our own domestic issues to be getting on with..What will a 2nd referendum solve?

yes our Green New Deal for a cleaner, greener, better europe

that is a priority for EU now, but this plan is in good hands with our Frans Timmermans

[arista]

“They are not Going to break the Law”
“They are going to go around it”
To leave on the 31st of October.

Ref: Katy Balls
Paper Review . Marr BBC1HD.

[Ammi]

...we are not going to break the law, we’re going to go around the law...while expecting the population to follow the law...because we are the law and the law wins.../...Judge Johnson...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...we are not going to break the law, we’re going to go around the law...while expecting the population to follow the law...because we are the law and the law wins.../...Judge Johnson...

The Population has to Follow
our Law and Order,


Politics does not need a Biased
POXY
Scottish Judges thinking they can rule us.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

The Population has to Follow
our Law and Order,


Politics does not need a Biased
POXY
Scottish Judges thinking they can rule us.

...Scotland is part of ‘us’, Arista...as is Northern Ireland ...we are only ‘us’ because of that...you’re sounding very elitist, sir...

[bots]

Originally Posted by arista

The Population has to Follow
our Law and Order,


Politics does not need a Biased
POXY
Scottish Judges thinking they can rule us.

Scotland has always had a separate legal system to england and as long as parliament makes laws that affect england and scotland, they have to abide by both those countries legal systems.

Arista, i find your tone to be increasingly offensive, i think you should think a bit more before you commit your posts as you are coming across as an intolerant extremist

[Vanessa]

I just think leaving with a deal is better. But I'm not sure there's enough time for that.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Scotland has always had a separate legal system to england and as long as parliament makes laws that affect england and scotland, they have to abide by both those countries legal systems.

Arista, i find your tone to be increasingly offensive, i think you should think a bit more before you commit your posts as you are coming across as an intolerant extremist

I can assure you
I am not that.

[joeysteele]

Less police are the result of cuts from 2010.
Reported 20,000 less.

Now is the mentioned 20,000 police officers, over the next 3 years or so.
Are they 20,000 nett extra.

As thousands of Police officers will be retiring over the next few years..
Will they still be being replaced on top of this proposed 20,000.

Otherwise they won't be possibly being increased in numbers that much.

As for the sentencing of child killers being more severe.
Of course that's a good idea in theory.
It should always have been the case.

However unless he removes mitigation from sentencing too.
Which would open up a massive can of worms.
It's not going to result in a great change.

For me, look at all sentencing.
Only lock up where violence and damage to property crlimes have been committed.

Of course murderers, should be removed from society for life.
Child killers, yes.
However for me, all murders rob people of family, parents, friends and partners.
So clear the prisons of all convicted if non violent crimes..

Then open the prison spaces for all who have committed violent crimes only.
Across the board, from damage to property,assault, abuse, and the taking of any lives.

That's the reforms I'd like to see.

Would I trust the word of this PM on what he says he'd do.
Not a single chance would I.

[bots]

In a democracy you can't cover up the cracks of dissenting voices indefinitely. While new labour were in power there was a decade where those eurosceptic voices were all but silenced. so when the tories got back in with a coalition the eurosceptic voices suddenly became very loud and powerful. Again, if May had not completely fluffed her GE, things would have gone super smooth,but they didn't.

I don't believe Cameron had any choice but to hold a referendum. The simple fact is that 50% of the population have always been against being in the EU. Europe has always been a big issue in the UK, right from the very day we joined.

Tony Blair signed us up to deeper integration with the EU without any vote, that angered a lot of people and it was never forgiven. That set everything on course for where we are now. Prior to that John Major had tried to effectively join the Euro (again without a vote) by aligning the pound with the euro. That experiment lasted all of 3 days, and the "elite" lost staggering amounts of money in those 3 days, again, something that would never be forgotten

The stories have always been negative regarding europe, never positive. Bureaucracy, food mountains, immigration. The positives were always just taken for granted with no fanfare. This has always been the problem. When it came to the referendum, all remain could say was ... well, its the status quo ... isn't life great in the EU where as the leave side could repeat all the negatives built up over 40 years .... and people forget good news, they never forget bad news. So any time a negative story was repeated, those that lived through it thought ... oh yeah ... i remember that ... that was all the EU's fault.

Anyway, long story short. The UK has always been a nation that stood on it's own feet, we were successful that way, it's in our nature. We are naturally untrusting of others, and through the generations that's been a very sensible outlook. Since the war, europe has tried to be peaceful ... and all credit for that, but world powers are always a threat, and the nature of threats change. I personally don't think that going it alone is necessarily a sensible strategy, but then, we don't know what our future holds, the only thing we know is that nothing is ever certain.

So what does all that mean? In the long term we have no idea what will befall us. Making judgements today for how things might be in 50 years is completely pointless. Remaining, leaving with a deal, leaving without a deal, are all very short views. Nothing is set in concrete. In the big scheme of things it's a blip. It may seem like it's a big issue, but whichever route we end up travelling, it is but a small bump in the road, and I wish people would get a grip and admit it.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

In a democracy you can't cover up the cracks of dissenting voices indefinitely. While new labour were in power there was a decade where those eurosceptic voices were all but silenced. so when the tories got back in with a coalition the eurosceptic voices suddenly became very loud and powerful. Again, if May had not completely fluffed her GE, things would have gone super smooth,but they didn't.

I don't believe Cameron had any choice but to hold a referendum. The simple fact is that 50% of the population have always been against being in the EU. Europe has always been a big issue in the UK, right from the very day we joined.

Tony Blair signed us up to deeper integration with the EU without any vote, that angered a lot of people and it was never forgiven. That set everything on course for where we are now. Prior to that John Major had tried to effectively join the Euro (again without a vote) by aligning the pound with the euro. That experiment lasted all of 3 days, and the "elite" lost staggering amounts of money in those 3 days, again, something that would never be forgotten

The stories have always been negative regarding europe, never positive. Bureaucracy, food mountains, immigration. The positives were always just taken for granted with no fanfare. This has always been the problem. When it came to the referendum, all remain could say was ... well, its the status quo ... isn't life great in the EU where as the leave side could repeat all the negatives built up over 40 years .... and people forget good news, they never forget bad news. So any time a negative story was repeated, those that lived through it thought ... oh yeah ... i remember that ... that was all the EU's fault.

Anyway, long story short. The UK has always been a nation that stood on it's own feet, we were successful that way, it's in our nature. We are naturally untrusting of others, and through the generations that's been a very sensible outlook. Since the war, europe has tried to be peaceful ... and all credit for that, but world powers are always a threat, and the nature of threats change. I personally don't think that going it alone is necessarily a sensible strategy, but then, we don't know what our future holds, the only thing we know is that nothing is ever certain.

So what does all that mean? In the long term we have no idea what will befall us. Making judgements today for how things might be in 50 years is completely pointless. Remaining, leaving with a deal, leaving without a deal, are all very short views. Nothing is set in concrete. In the big scheme of things it's a blip. It may seem like it's a big issue, but whichever route we end up travelling, it is but a small bump in the road, and I wish people would get a grip and admit it.

Well said ,that's about the long and short of it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Anyway, long story short. The UK has always been a nation that stood on it's own feet, we were successful that way, it's in our nature. We are naturally untrusting of others, and through the generations that's been a very sensible outlook. Since the war, europe has tried to be peaceful ... and all credit for that, but world powers are always a threat, and the nature of threats change. I personally don't think that going it alone is necessarily a sensible strategy, but then, we don't know what our future holds, the only thing we know is that nothing is ever certain.

The UK "stood on its own feet" by exploiting and plundering half of the world and claiming it as "ours". Those days are long, LONG gone now and they're not coming back... The world is mapped and claimed. There are no more New Worlds, no more colonies, and the economy is increasing global. If we in the UK don't realise that soon, we're economically doomed to irrelevance.

As part of the EU, and we've always had the opportunity to be a driving force if we stopped driving with the handbrake on, we would be sitting at the top of an economic superpower that can compete with the US, China and the large emerging economies.

Alone we're insignificant.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The UK "stood on its own feet" by exploiting and plundering half of the world and claiming it as "ours". Those days are long, LONG gone now and they're not coming back... The world is mapped and claimed. There are no more New Worlds, no more colonies, and the economy is increasing global. If we in the UK don't realise that soon, we're economically doomed to irrelevance.

As part of the EU, and we've always had the opportunity to be a driving force if we stopped driving with the handbrake on, we would be sitting at the top of an economic superpower that can compete with the US, China and the large emerging economies.

Alone we're insignificant.

True and therefore unpopular

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Alone we're insignificant.

and again from your words you are making an assumption that whatever outcome we have in the coming weeks/months is a permanent one. Which believe it or not is unlikely. Even if we reverted to an insular nation for 40 future years, it's not permanent. Myself, i believe if we exit the eu without a deal there will be a deal done within 5 years to negate the effects. That, could at a maximum be another recession .... We have had plenty recessions before that we have handled.

Of course no one wants to change something that is working, i think it is madness personally, but it's really not the end of the world, and nothing is ever set in concrete as so many appear to believe

[Ammi]

...to be fair though, bots...a recession is something that not everyone can survive...some are already financially stretched as far as capacity allows...

[Ammi]

...I mean it doesn’t help with the Yellowhammer report that the stockpiling of body bags was mentioned...this is the provision being made by the government for tough times then, that we’re going to get through...everyone just has to hold tight for 5 years......the words of the government ..in preparation...and the actions of the government...in preparation...are not correlating at all...

[bots]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...to be fair though, bots...a recession is something that not everyone can survive...some are already financially stretched as fast as capacity allows...

people will be affected by recession and it's not nice. You and I are both old enough to know what it means to family. But, let me try putting it another way. At the moment, we have a country divided. In order to bring the country back together again in any meaningful way, we are going to have to go through something fundamental together that brings back shared experience and a willingness to work together. That generally comes from adversity. It's sad it has come to this, but I believe its the only way we will regain united purpose.