[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

What if you took no notice of the lies? and was gonna vote leave no matter what was said?

Just because you accept everything the television tells you, doesn't mean everyone else does.

So what you're admitting to here, is voting for a campaign that you knew were lying and acting illegally, and you rewarded them without any knowledge of the implications, and this is supposed to impress us as evidence of your independent thinking, when in reality it just highlights how little people knew about what they were voting for.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

So what you're admitting to here, is voting for a campaign that you knew were lying and acting illegally, and you rewarded them without any knowledge of the implications, and this is supposed to impress us as evidence of your independent thinking, when in reality it just highlights how little people knew about what they were voting for.

Full credit to you.
I was going to make the same point so well said.

Saved me a lot of typing as you said all more concisely than I would have.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

So what you're admitting to here, is voting for a campaign that you knew were lying and acting illegally, and you rewarded them without any knowledge of the implications, and this is supposed to impress us as evidence of your independent thinking, when in reality it just highlights how little people knew about what they were voting for.

No, I didn't vote for any campaign. I voted to leave the EU because I wanted to. The implications was, we come out of the EU and go it alone.

And nice to see you end by showing what a snob you are, by looking down on people and thinking that you know better and you know for a fact that they didn't know what they voted for, because they're to stupid too, aren't they?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Alf

No, I didn't vote for any campaign. I voted to leave the EU because I wanted to. The implications was, we come out of the EU and go it alone.

And nice to see you end by showing what a snob you are, by looking down on people and thinking that you know better and you know for a fact that they didn't know what they voted for, because they're to stupid too, aren't they?

I must admit I was the same, I voted simply because I wanted out of the eu cause in time I believe we will be better off and happier..

The snobbery I have seen from the eu leaders towards the uk and its citizens as well, has just further cemented my convictions.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I must admit I was the same, I voted simply because I wanted out of the eu cause in time I believe we will be better off and happier..

The snobbery I have seen from the eu leaders towards the uk and its citizens as well, has just further cemented my convictions.

Snobbery in what way? What do you expect them to do? Give you all the same benefits from being in the Eu without actually having to be in the Eu or put anything in to it?

[bots]

One wouldn't build a bridge across the channel and then stop when the estimated completion date had past saying, no problem, we will just stop there, people can swim the rest of the way from now on. The same is true of the brexit agreement. Things do take longer than expected to complete all the time, particularly when something is complex. There is absolutely no reason to leave without a deal, when we will still have to have some form of deal at a later date anyway. We cannot exclude trade with europe, it would be the height of stupidity

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

No, I didn't vote for any campaign. I voted to leave the EU because I wanted to. The implications was, we come out of the EU and go it alone.

Go what alone? I genuinely don't understand what you mean. Do you know what you mean?

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

One wouldn't build a bridge across the channel and then stop when the estimated completion date had past saying, no problem, we will just stop there, people can swim the rest of the way from now on. The same is true of the brexit agreement. Things do take longer than expected to complete all the time, particularly when something is complex. There is absolutely no reason to leave without a deal, when we will still have to have some form of deal at a later date anyway. We cannot exclude trade with europe, it would be the height of stupidity

True, I'm pretty sure that bloody high speed train was meant to be finished in back in something like 1992. By the time they finish it, every other country is going to have MagLevs already... Or teleporters or something...

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Go what alone? I genuinely don't understand what you mean. Do you know what you mean?




True, I'm pretty sure that bloody high speed train was meant to be finished in back in something like 1992. By the time they finish it, every other country is going to have MagLevs already... Or teleporters or something...

Be your own Boss, as opposed to being 1 part of a 28 part monster.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Snobbery in what way? What do you expect them to do? Give you all the same benefits from being in the Eu without actually having to be in the Eu or put anything in to it?

Snobbery to brexit voters equals not buckling and giving us everything we want because empire and WW2.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Snobbery to brexit voters equals not buckling and giving us everything we want because empire and WW2.

I mean what would even be the point in the EU if everyone could just have the same benefits with none of the sacrifices?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Snobbery in what way? What do you expect them to do? Give you all the same benefits from being in the Eu without actually having to be in the Eu or put anything in to it?

You should watch the documentary that was made by the eu lot of the behind the scenes drexit discussions...absolutely shocking the way they speak about the uk and its citizens.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You should watch the documentary that was made by the eu lot of the behind the scenes drexit discussions...absolutely shocking the way they speak about the uk and its citizens.

Any worse than the way leavers talk about remainers, the eu, and the left?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Any worse than the way leavers talk about remainers, the eu, and the left?

The day after the referendum, you was all out, calling leave voters, racist's, bigots, Little Englanders. All we did was use our vote.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Any worse than the way leavers talk about remainers, the eu, and the left?

Ten times worse...these arsehole are world leaders to an extent...the normal man in the streets view will not be heard by them...so yes..to answer your question....it is worse.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You should watch the documentary that was made by the eu lot of the behind the scenes drexit discussions...absolutely shocking the way they speak about the uk and its citizens.

hhhmmm what about how your Politicians behaved? That Priti patel, basically saying that you should have threatened Ireland with food shortages and used it as leverage to get rid of the back stop? You call EU leaders snobby but that kind of talk is disgusting considering what you did during the Irish "famine" and what about you Prime Minister making a comment about our Leo Varadkar "Why isn't he called Murphy like the rest of them?" If that's not a snobby, disrespectful comment I don't know what is

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

hhhmmm what about how your Politicians behaved? That Priti patel, basically saying that you should have threatened Ireland with food shortages and used it as leverage to get rid of the back stop? You call EU leaders snobby but that kind of talk is disgusting considering what you did during the Irish "famine" and what about you Prime Minister making a comment about our Leo Varadkar "Why isn't he called Murphy like the rest of them?" If that's not a snobby, disrespectful comment I don't know what is

What about it?

Boris comments are alleged and nothing more than hearsay or overheard codswallop...I can't judge one man's word...but I have seen and heaRd the eu leaders first hand..so I can judge them..


As for the famine...well....stop living in the ****ing past, that way of thinking has ruined your country for years..

[lime]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

hhhmmm what about how your Politicians behaved? That Priti patel, basically saying that you should have threatened Ireland with food shortages and used it as leverage to get rid of the back stop? You call EU leaders snobby but that kind of talk is disgusting considering what you did during the Irish "famine" and what about you Prime Minister making a comment about our Leo Varadkar "Why isn't he called Murphy like the rest of them?" If that's not a snobby, disrespectful comment I don't know what is

Then you get Nigel Evans talking kac and dening yellow hammer but then going to say the irish will also be with about meds..i am begining to think alot in UK fail to understand EU.But there is no excuse for stupidity

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

No, I didn't vote for any campaign. I voted to leave the EU because I wanted to. The implications was, we come out of the EU and go it alone.

And nice to see you end by showing what a snob you are, by looking down on people and thinking that you know better and you know for a fact that they didn't know what they voted for, because they're to stupid too, aren't they?

Nail. On. Head. You left because you wanted to. You can't explain why, or maybe you can, you just know how the truth will be viewed?

It's not snobbery, it's evidence. Let's take this forum as a snapshot; I see the same lines trotted out day after day, and when the actual evidence is provided, then the other person goes quiet for a day, then comes back the following day with the same claims.

It's cult-like behaviour where people won't even admit they were conned and seduced by the lies, because that's viewed as a sign of weakness, when in reality, it takes intelligence and reasoning to even be open to changing your mind.

You're angry with the wrong people, Alf, the fact your side can't make a deal as good/better than we have is the only reason we haven't left yet, and that's what they promised. Yet you want to blame everyone apart from these liars and cheats. It's not snobbery to question whether people know what they were voting for when even you admit they were lying, and voted regardless, so how can you say that anyone voted leave because they knew what it entailed, when the campaign wasn't honest with them? I don't blame the voters, I blame the conmen and multimillionaires desperate to avoid EU tax regulations that fed into peoples insecurities.