[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Would an innocent man give 21 million to a blackmailer?

After being blackmailed would you continue to have kids sleep at your house?

Yeah lets all ignore a huge chunk of facts shall we like how Evan Chandler was a sleazy con artist who was recorded on tape!!! talking about getting everything he can out of MJ .

Jordy never said he was abused until his dad drugged him to lie . In 2005 Jody was nowhere to be seen to testify . So if it wasn't just about money on the familie's side why didn't they testify again??? .

And if you do your research you'll realise in some of these cases they could still report MJ to the authorities despite "huge pay outs" , but once they got their money they conveniently forgot everything and moved on.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Yeah lets all ignore a huge chunk of facts shall we like how Evan Chandler was a sleazy con artist who was recorded on tape!!! talking about getting everything he can out of MJ .

Jordy never said he was abused until his dad drugged him to lie . In 2005 Jody was nowhere to be seen to testify . So if it wasn't just about money on the familie's side why didn't they testify again??? .

And if you do your research you'll realise in some of these cases they could still report MJ to the authorities despite "huge pay outs" , but once they got their money they conveniently forgot everything and moved on.

So if these people are con artist’s and blackmailers why on Earth would you pay them?

And you say despite him giving them the money they could still report him!, even more of a reason to go to the cops and report them.

Don’t tell me to do research when the golden rule is, you should never give in to blackmailers.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

No, Parm, your experience is nothing like the MJ case.
There was 2,5 years difference between you and your cousin. So you were almost peers. Not a kid and an adult more than twice his age.
What you describing is two kids/adolescents (?, don't know how old you both were) fooling around which some kids do. I'm sorry you feel he coerced you into it. But you didn't mind it at the time?
It seems to me you feel guilty you enjoyed gay sex in some form, but that's a different matter. Not your cousin's fault you can't come to terms you may be a little gay.
And before you shout at me, I had the same thing done to me by an older cousin.

What I mean h similar is the feelings I and they would have felt because it was someone they and I looked up to....the age difference is the only difference imo...and I didn't enjoy gay sex at all..I thought I enjoyed it because I looked up tomy cousin so much.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You said they are throwing the lawsuit around as evidence they are lying. They're using the lawsuit as "evidence" they're after money, which is a possible reason for them to tell these lies. Obviously.

Well no, you're saying that money may possibly be a motive to lie which is true BUT the claim often pushed on this thread is more that "there's money involved so they are obviously lying" which is false.

The money and the judging the validity of the claims are largely unrelated to be honest. Especially in the US where seeking financial compensation when one feels "wronged" is baked into the legal culture.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Elvis Married Priscilla when she was 14 years old but i guess that's ok??

Of course it is Goldheart,also Jerry Lee Lewis,I did hear something about Elvis but I will leave that little surprise until I know more.

[bots]

Lets look at the Monica situation. She clearly kept the stained dress to use for monetary gain later. She intended to go for the money shot right from the start. However, no matter her greed, President Clinton did spunk over her dress, and it showed him to be an out and out liar.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Of course it is Goldheart,also Jerry Lee Lewis,I did hear something about Elvis but I will leave that little surprise until I know more.

Jerry Lee Lewis, married his cousin, she was 13

To wrongs don’t make a right.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Jerry Lee Lewis, married his cousin, she was 13

To wrongs don’t make a right.

I didn't say they did sheriff just pointing out both he and Elvis married kids

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I didn't say they did sheriff just pointing out both he and Elvis married kids

That’s to do with American law 17 states in America still have no minimum age for marriage.

In 2001 Tennessee, three ten year old girls married men between the ages of 24 and 31 that state has since raised the age of marriage.

There is another case of a 14 year old marring a 74 year old man

[joeysteele]

To be fair to Elvis, he met Priscilla when she was 14, in Germany and likely something happened.
However it was early 60s when she was around 17 she went to see him in the States.
Then she was 22 when they married in 1967.
She was born I believe in 1945.

As to the Clinton case, there was evidence, that's the point.

With MJ, there is no real evidence, yet this pair say they were molested over 100 times.
I come back to the trial again.
No evidence other than words.

If you are going to make accusations as was done, anyone could easily have acquired evidence to stand up in court.
None ever was.
MJ faced 10 counts and 4 minor ones.
He was found not guilty on all 14 charges.
All of them.

That was also the outcome despite the permitting of including in the trial,the raising of the 1993 allegations too.
Which MJ totally refuted too.

I am repeating myself here, likely to deaf selectively ears but those are solid facts.
Facts borne out of only worded accusations but with nothing of substance whatsoever as to evidence.
All through a very personally invasive investigation of MJ personally and his premises, clothing and belongings.
Then a very high profile trial too.

It's mystifying it seems why I, Kazanne, Goldheart and others look at those facts a lot on this issue.

Honestly, it's both mystifying and worrying to me as to real justice, that others just blatantly dismiss those facts.

[Nicky91]

whole day long they are playing michael jackson music here at our omroep brabant radio channel

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

whole day long they are playing michael jackson music here at our omroep brabant radio channel

Good for them Nicky for not taking that stupid knee jerk reaction

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Good for them Nicky for not taking that stupid knee jerk reaction

in the north of my country they have banned his music, luckily we aren't moaners here in the south

[Nicky91]

if this was when MJ was still alive i would've had different thoughts, then they could've punished him for his actions but now they can't, so it has no point now

[Northern Monkey]

48 pages deep and probably no one is still any the wiser.

I think this is one case where nobody will ever know the truth.
Give up guys

[Withano]

Obvious pedo. Expensive lawyers and little evidence doesn’t change his inner-self. Up to each person if they want to separate the man and the music or not, I have. He has some bangers.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Intriguingly, she (Lisa Presley) has spoken often about the Jackson who existed behind closed doors, explaining that his voice and personality were vastly different to what he presented to the public. “Not a lot of people know who he really is,” she told Diane Sawyer in 2003.

“He doesn’t let anybody see it. And he has some idea about how he should represent himself in the public that he thinks works for him, which is the sort of meek, victim-y, quiet thing that he does, which is not like how he really is. He doesn’t let a lot of people see that. When he wants to lock into you, or intrigue you, or capture you, or, you know, whatever he wants to do with you, he can do it.”

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[Crimson Dynamo]

It remains a mystery why quite so many people are fighting to protect the legacy of a man who admitted to sharing his bed with numerous young boys and had an unusual fixation on befriending them (including lavishing them with expensive gifts and taking part in private telephone conversations that often lasted hours at at time). But it does speak to Leaving Neverland's biggest challenge - convincing many of Jackson’s guilt.

While the general public has been quick to “cancel” the likes of Kevin Spacey, R Kelly and Harvey Weinstein, all of whom have been accused of serious sexual misconduct (denied by all three) and experienced legal blowback in the post-#MeToo climate, there remains something untouchable about Michael Jackson.

His hold on a large swathe of society seems undiminished, despite the horrifying allegations in Reed’s film, and his undeniably odd personal history.

While several radio stations around the world have pulled Jackson’s music in the wake of Leaving Neverland, it remains to be seen whether it’s just the first step in a widespread condemnation of everything Jackson represented, or the miniscule full extent of a Jackson backlash.

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[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

if this was when MJ was still alive i would've had different thoughts, then they could've punished him for his actions but now they can't, so it has no point now

Everyone has the right to tell the truth whether the abuser is alive or dead...

[bots]

No serious percentage of todays music buying public will purchase Elvis Presley music today, it's no longer relevant to the majority. In 20 or 30 years time, no one will buy Jacksons music either. In 30 years he will be more remembered for being a perv

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It remains a mystery why quite so many people are fighting to protect the legacy of a man who admitted to sharing his bed with numerous young boys and had an unusual fixation on befriending them (including lavishing them with expensive gifts and taking part in private telephone conversations that often lasted hours at at time). But it does speak to Leaving Neverland's biggest challenge - convincing many of Jackson’s guilt.

While the general public has been quick to “cancel” the likes of Kevin Spacey, R Kelly and Harvey Weinstein, all of whom have been accused of serious sexual misconduct (denied by all three) and experienced legal blowback in the post-#MeToo climate, there remains something untouchable about Michael Jackson.

His hold on a large swathe of society seems undiminished, despite the horrifying allegations in Reed’s film, and his undeniably odd personal history.

While several radio stations around the world have pulled Jackson’s music in the wake of Leaving Neverland, it remains to be seen whether it’s just the first step in a widespread condemnation of everything Jackson represented, or the miniscule full extent of a Jackson backlash.

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Yeah. This is the part I can't get passed or understand how anyone could get passed this piece on information. It's bizarre that people are trying to justify that.

In relation to the other post, I remember David Gest saying that about MJ before that, his "real" voice was much deeper, totally different to what he presented to the public

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

No serious percentage of todays music buying public will purchase Elvis Presley music today, it's no longer relevant to the majority. In 20 or 30 years time, no one will buy Jacksons music either. In 30 years he will be more remembered for being a perv

Multi millions around the whole world will still be playing, requesting and enjoying their music however.
As they have the last near 50 years for MJ and near 65 years for Elvis.

Both can hardly make 'new' recordings now but very few artistes can claim, in any shape or form, the success of these 2 as to the history of pop music.

[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Everyone has the right to tell the truth whether the abuser is alive or dead...

Indeed, hate this idea that just because he's dead he should get a free pass

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

Indeed, hate this idea that just because he's dead he should get a free pass

Or too much time has passed or whatever. How long is too long? Victims should be able to come out whenever they feel ready and maybe some child abuse victim only feels ready when their abuser is dead?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Of course it is Goldheart,also Jerry Lee Lewis,I did hear something about Elvis but I will leave that little surprise until I know more.

I bet Roman Polanski will be praised as well.

I was just as surprised by Elvis as well , I guess when you have a relationship & MARRY a minor then it's ok ?? . Jerry Lee Lewis is even worse ,he lied about her age and said she was 15 which would of still been weird but yeah she was actually 13 !!!