[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Does it not give you any pause the way you cheer on law breaking for the tories, and yet you act like a tough guy on any other crime?

Stop Over reading things.
Law Breaking - No

[Kizzy]

I agree 100% with Ash Sarkar here I believe the govt is trying to create a parliament v the people narrative, the media narrative by the hardliners is very divisive.
Do I think they'll succeed? Thankfully no there are many stupid people in the UK but thankfully not that many.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

"To me, brexiters are akin to anti-vaxxers and Trump Supporters in that they've all lost touch with reality to chase a fantasy."


You telling me the PM is Bonkers?
Dezzy

You have Marxist Corbyn
or Johnson in next General election
soon.


As for the LibDems
they are busy being Fluffy
and never to be in power.

What further proof you need that bojo is a lying chancer?

Originally Posted by arista

We will see.

So this is the master plan?
It will not happen

[arista]

[arista]

"So this is the master plan?"


No that is Not the master plan
it is just a rumor

[arista]

"What further proof you need that bojo is a lying chancer?"


I need no proof.
But the Next Election
is Marxist Corbyn or Johnson.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

"What further proof you need that bojo is a lying chancer?"


I need no proof.
But the Next Election
is Marxist Corbyn or Johnson.

Socialist not marxist
We've gone too far to the right. A course correction is in order

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Socialist not marxist
We've gone too far to the right. A course correction is in order

No he is a Proud Marxist

[bots]

Originally Posted by arista

"What further proof you need that bojo is a lying chancer?"


I need no proof.
But the Next Election
is Marxist Corbyn or Johnson.

if i remember correctly Arista, you were a staunch Corbyn supporter until recently

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

if i remember correctly Arista, you were a staunch Corbyn supporter until recently

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

if i remember correctly Arista, you were a staunch Corbyn supporter until recently

People change their minds,we were always labour voters until Blair.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

People change their minds,we were always labour voters until Blair.

I remember you telling me that.
When I said I and most of my family were more Conservative until the coalition got to 2012.

Not that I'd call Blair really Labour mind.


As you say people change their minds.
I have on a new referendum.
People may have changed their minds on leaving the EU too.
Which is why, as much as I detest the present government.
I myself think a referendum not a general election is how to solve this.

I have changed my mind in the last 6 months on a referendum.


I'd rather a referendum with either.
No deal and remain on it.

Or any deal, Mays, or Johnson's if he ever gets one again with remain as choices.

Because only then will you get over 50% for something.
A government elected on between 35% to 40% of the votes is not the way.
No matter the seats they get.

I said earlier, Labour were elected in 2005 with around 35% of the votes.
The Conservatives got around 32%

Yet Labour got a 68 seat overall majority.
That's ridiculous.

No way should Brexit be decided in that way with less than 50% of the votes cast.
In a general election, no one has had 50% of the votes cast for many decades.

I agree with you Kazanne, people do change their minds though.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

if i remember correctly Arista, you were a staunch Corbyn supporter until recently

Sure he is OK


I say Marxist Corbyn
as that's what he is.

[arista]

[Twosugars]

Francois is probably the biggest idiot in parliament now, and it is a stiff competition

[Liam-]

How would we react if say, Trump came over here and demanded a press conference was done how he wanted it to be done to avoid reporters and a rowdy crowd? He’d be told to suck it up and go with it cause he’s in Britain, so guess what, Boris should have sucked it up and do what was expected of him, not hide away like the big baby he is because he couldn’t get his own way, he’s the Prime Minister, his duty is to answer to the people and he failed to do that, the sympathy for him is actually baffling, guaranteed it wouldn’t be there if it was someone else, he’s a childish, delusional, ignorant baby.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Liam-

How would we react if say, Trump came over here and demanded a press conference was done how he wanted it to be done to avoid reporters and a rowdy crowd? He’d be told to suck it up and go with it cause he’s in Britain, so guess what, Boris should have sucked it up and do what was expected of him, not hide away like the big baby he is because he couldn’t get his own way, he’s the Prime Minister, his duty is to answer to the people and he failed to do that, the sympathy for him is actually baffling, guaranteed it wouldn’t be there if it was someone else, he’s a childish, delusional, ignorant baby.

Spot on again Liam.
On the World stage, he makes the UK a laughing stock.

[arista]

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by arista

I am thoroughly convinced by the jpeg image

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Dia.

I am thoroughly convinced by the jpeg image

[arista]

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

He's like a yoyo

[arista]

[arista]

[joeysteele]

I can go with Labour just going with what voters decided in a referendum.
On 'a deal negotiated to be in a customs union' or 'remain'.

Either being acceptable, that I would be happy with.
That's Corbyn's position.

Although the party conference may yet demand a stronger remain stance, which he'd have to abide by if that was passed.


There won't be, however if a referendum was held as to 'no deal' or 'remain', then obviously Labour would support remain.

I could support both to remain or leave with a deal that included a customs union arrangement.

So Labour policy makes sense to me.

I'd just never support a no deal scenario.

I don't agree with the Lib Dem position of, were they, ( fantasy land however), to go from 18 seats, ( around 5 of which were NOT won seats but people leaving other parties), to over 320 seats.
I cannot support the lack of all democracy in not asking voters if they want to revoke or leave with a deal.
Nor after a general election, with 320+ MPs, but likely no more than 35% to 40% of votes cast.
To just carry out revoking.

The Con position, who are the government,( just), is bad too.
A no deal scenario looming and a power crazed dangerous madman seemingly deceiving all and determined to take us to that no deal scenario.

In 1975, Harold Wilson did recommend 'in' during the referendum.
However all his MPs and Cabinet were free to follow either side of the issue.
That was right then and could be right now.

Even Cameron had the same position re MPs and his Cabinet.
Although he was firmly on the remain side himself.

If all through, Cabinet and Shadow Cabinet and ALL MPs been able to decide all on free votes and not party whip voting.
We maybe would have avoided this chaos and mess that's been created the last 3+ years now.