[MTVN]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Parliament has always had these powers, which is what made the "EU masters telling us what to do" line particularly cynical. What are your actual views on the whole topic? I'm asking because you're interesting to me on this subject; I'm pretty sure you were a remainer but saw the pluses/minuses of both arguments, and yet I've only ever read you supporting the shenanigans and jiggery pokery of the leave side.

Not being facetious or accusatory, I just don't have any idea where you actually stand on the issue, so just trying work it out in my own head.

Parliament never used to be able to prevent an election until the FTPA and afaik pre-Brexit they never took control of the order paper and they were never able to impose policy on the country's elected government before

I was a Remainer and I still kinda wish the ref had never happened but what it did do was make me aware of the level of discontent in the country with the status quo and with 'the establishment'. I think the result should be honoured because people should see that their vote actually meant something. I also think delivering Brexit is what is most likely to allow us to move on from it and let the country 'come back together'. Even though I thought it would be better to Remain I never thought the EU was a particularly noble organisation and a lot of the criticisms about its lack of accountability are true. Being a member of it is not the be all and end all and so the damage that overturning the referendum would do to people's faith in our democracy is not a price worth paying. Sneering at Leave voters and suggesting they were tricked or lied to doesn't address the cause of the result and actually I think a lot of pretty moderate Leave voters have been radicalised by the contempt their vote is treated with which is why so many are now set on no deal.

[joeysteele]

Oppositions have always been able to try to overturn or put forward bills to be voted on.
Usually with little success due to governments having effective overall majority.

Emergency debates and motions have always been the norm.

When Labour was a minority in Feb 1974 through to October 1974..
They struggled badly due to the Con opposition able to defeat and defeat legislation.

Johnson made his job harder, getting rid of and alienating his own number of MPs.
Then expecting parliament to HELP him out his mess via a general election.
No way.

Why would an opposition holding the upper hand, throw that in, until they were sure they'd secured a law and compliance with that law.

Nothing undemocratic about that at all.

Johnson's domestic agenda may still get most things through.
The MPs he's treated abominably, would still support most of his domestic policies.

It's just his conflicting and deceitful stance of tearing down the highway to the hardest most extreme no deal brexit.
That Parliament is against.

This is a shocking way for any PM to behave.
I don't care who he or she is, or for what party either.

It's just beyond belief to me anyone can even support or admire Johnson's actions.
It speaks volumes however.

[arista]

Some MP's have gathered at Parliament.


Stupid fools it's not open,

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Some MP's have gathered at Parliament.


Stupid fools it's not open,

The point is, at present today at least,according to law.
It should be open.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

what it did do was make me aware of the level of discontent in the country with the status quo and with 'the establishment'. I think the result should be honoured because people should see that their vote actually meant something. I also think delivering Brexit is what is most likely to allow us to move on from it and let the country 'come back together'. .

It'll take decades for the Brexit rist to be even close to healed, and being blunt, by that time a very large percentage of those who voted for it will be dead.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The point is, at present today at least,according to law.
It should be open.

No as the Court is not finished
Appeal on Tuesday

[arista]

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

No as the Court is not finished
Appeal on Tuesday

The government's lawyers didn't ask for the judgement to be set aside pending appeal.

That means this is law at the present time.

If someone is found guilty and sent to prison.
They stay there until their appeal is heard.

They remain guilty until that appeal.

He is in effect breaking the law leaving parliament closed.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It'll take decades for the Brexit rist to be even close to healed, and being blunt, by that time a very large percentage of those who voted for it will be dead.

True.
May made a big mistake by not forming a national unity government in 2016. That would be the only right way to deal with the issue.
As it is we've had further radicalisation on both sides deepening the rift.
I will never forgive the leave side regardless of how it all ends.

[arista]

"He is in effect breaking the law leaving parliament closed. "


Arrest the PM , then.

[arista]

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

"He is in effect breaking the law leaving parliament closed. "


Arrest the PM , then.

SNP leader at Westminster twitted already that bojo should not travel to Scotland or it's a citizen arrest

[Twosugars]

Dominic Cummings spent 3 years in Russia, there are rumours he is a Russian agent.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"He is in effect breaking the law leaving parliament closed. "


Arrest the PM , then.

Not a bad idea.

IF this ruling were to be upheld next week, he very well could possibly be.

Misleading the Queen neither looks or sounds good.
That will need action.
IF, the same ruling comes on Tuesday.

So he needs to keep all crossed I'd say and tread more carefully.
If this ruling today is upheld next week, surely he'll be at least forced to resign.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Not a bad idea.

IF this ruling were to be upheld next week, he very well could possibly be.

Misleading the Queen neither looks or sounds good.
That will need action.
IF, the same ruling comes on Tuesday.

So he needs to keep all crossed I'd say and tread more carefully.
If this ruling today is upheld next week, surely he'll be at least forced to resign.

You do not know what they spoke about
she may Hate Corbyn , in private

[arista]

Yes you are a great writer
but we are not cooked , madame

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

SNP leader at Westminster twitted already that bojo should not travel to Scotland or it's a citizen arrest

Scottish Cops
going up against Armed PM Officers?


We will win that fight

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes you are a great writer
but we are not cooked , madame

Getting there

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

You do not know what they spoke about
she may Hate Corbyn , in private

He sent Rees-Mogg with the papers.

He's been judged to have prorogued Parliament to be stymying parliament.
Not for what he said.

If that's upheld,.IF it is.
He may be in very hot water indeed.

[arista]

Loads of Remain MP's
are saying all that stuff Joey

But Parliament is not Open.
The PM and Dominic Cummings are staying put

[arista]

Joey it is still not over
Next Tuesday it goes to the Supreme Court
confirmed

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Joey it is still not over
Next Tuesday it goes to the Supreme Court
confirmed

I'm fully aware of that.
As I've pointed out endlessly above.

Until then it is ended but the ruling not invalid however, as I pointed out due to government lawyers NOT requesting this judgement set aside pending appeal.

That means this ruling by this supreme court, remains valid, until and unless next weeks hearing overturns it.

That's the law.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I'm fully aware of that.
As I've pointed out endlessly above.

Until then it is ended but the ruling not invalid however, as I pointed out due to government lawyers NOT requesting this judgement set aside pending appeal.

That means this ruling by this supreme court, remains valid, until and unless next weeks hearing overturns it.

That's the law.

Not Yet.

[Twosugars]

Let's have some parliamentary action
Missing Bercow already

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Let's have some parliamentary action
Missing Bercow already

Your bants drying up...do you need fed?