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Europe is not one country, if the US negotiates an extradition treaty with a country, the treaty should stand for both sides.

Having seen the way the US backed out of ratifying the US/UK Extradition treaty and still expect the UK to turn over anyone the US want, most countries wont bother listening to the US.

Just to reiterate, Amanda Knox trial - Italy Roman Polanski - France and Switzerland.

You appear to have also overlooked in the Polanski case the fact he did undergo trial and thought a bargain had been reached by the reduction of charges and probation and treatment in a clinic at the courts order. The judge then indicated to Polankski's attroney that he had changed his mind and though jail and deportation to be a more suitable punishment even though the prosecuting attorney asked for probation.

Even the prosecuting attorney stated that Polanski's treatment at the hands of a fame hungry judge was unfair. France doesnt have an extradition treaty with the US and Switzerland stated that Polanski had indeed served his original sentence.

Cant wait to read the garbage you will write in defence of the US legal system regarding extradition in rebuttal.
really? drugging and rapping a child should just cary a punishment of rehab??

Sorry, but in America, when you drug and rape a child, you get jail time.

Here's a messege to all people who want to drug and rape children, don't do it in America, because we'll put you in jail!

If you want to drug and rape children, do it in Europe.
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Europe is not one country, if the US negotiates an extradition treaty with a country, the treaty should stand for both sides.

Having seen the way the US backed out of ratifying the US/UK Extradition treaty and still expect the UK to turn over anyone the US want, most countries wont bother listening to the US.

Just to reiterate, Amanda Knox trial - Italy Roman Polanski - France and Switzerland.

You appear to have also overlooked in the Polanski case the fact he did undergo trial and thought a bargain had been reached by the reduction of charges and probation and treatment in a clinic at the courts order. The judge then indicated to Polankski's attroney that he had changed his mind and though jail and deportation to be a more suitable punishment even though the prosecuting attorney asked for probation.

Even the prosecuting attorney stated that Polanski's treatment at the hands of a fame hungry judge was unfair. France doesnt have an extradition treaty with the US and Switzerland stated that Polanski had indeed served his original sentence.

Cant wait to read the garbage you will write in defence of the US legal system regarding extradition in rebuttal.
tell me how it was unfair. he drugged and rapped a child by his own admission. Tell me what YOU think is a fair punishment for drugging and RAPING a child. having sex with a CHILD that is unconcious on drugs that he gave her,. please tell me what YOU think would be a fair punishment.!

I'm curious to know.

I'd like to know what punishment you think is fair if it was your daughter who was drugged and raped.

An old man gave drugs to a child and then had sex with the child while the child was unconscious., what punishment do YOU think would be fair???

Please explain how thew US justice system is wrong for demanding he pay for that crime. Tell me what YOU think would be fair punishment.

Please tell me what is the "fair" punishment for someone who RAPES A CHILD. You tell me.
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tell me how it was unfair. he drugged and rapped a child by his own admission. Tell me what YOU think is a fair punishment for drugging and RAPING a child. having sex with a CHILD that is unconcious on drugs that he gave her,. please tell me what YOU think would be a fair punishment.!

I'm curious to know.

I'd like to know what punishment you think is fair if it was your daughter who was drugged and raped.

An old man gave drugs to a child and then had sex with the child while the child was unconscious., what punishment do YOU think would be fair???

Please explain how thew US justice system is wrong for demanding he pay for that crime. Tell me what YOU think would be fair punishment.

Please tell me what is the "fair" punishment for someone who RAPES A CHILD. You tell me.

What's this got to do with the Amanda Knox case?
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tell me how it was unfair. he drugged and rapped a child by his own admission. Tell me what YOU think is a fair punishment for drugging and RAPING a child. having sex with a CHILD that is unconcious on drugs that he gave her,. please tell me what YOU think would be a fair punishment.!

I'm curious to know.

I'd like to know what punishment you think is fair if it was your daughter who was drugged and raped.

An old man gave drugs to a child and then had sex with the child while the child was unconscious., what punishment do YOU think would be fair???

Please explain how thew US justice system is wrong for demanding he pay for that crime. Tell me what YOU think would be fair punishment.

Please tell me what is the "fair" punishment for someone who RAPES A CHILD. You tell me.
I didnt say it was fair or unfair, please READ my posts properly, if you have problems with any big words ask an adult to explain them to you.

If you had read up on the Polanski case you would find out that a plea bargain had taken place with the judge involved and punishments etc already agreed upon. That was the reasoning behind the Swiss refusal to extradite.

But why let the facts get in the way of your usual "America is wonderful" rants.

Just to reiterate the point, the Amanda Knox trial and potential retrial doesnt have anything to do with the Polanksi case, there are three (thats three - pointee finger, middle finger and ringo) separate countries involved in the two different cases.
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But when they do seek her extradition, any other country she visits will hand her over to the Italians, if they have any shred of respect for international law.
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But when they do seek her extradition, any other country she visits will hand her over to the Italians, if they have any shred of respect for international law.
Yea, and isn't it funny how Roman Polanski, who admitted and has never denied drugging and raping a 13 y/o American child is still free all over Europe and no one will extradite him, but anyone could expect America to extradite Amanda knox who is guilty of no crime?

Get your house in order Europe, seriously. You wonder why European justice is a joke in America...??? really?
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Yea, and isn't it funny how Roamn Polanski, who admitted and has never denied drugging and rapping a 13 y/o girl is still free all over Europe, but anyone could expect America to extradite Amanda knox who is guilty of no crime?

Get your house in order Europe, seriously. You wonder why European justice is a joke in America...??? really?
Ha and this is the country that executes innocent men
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hmm, let;s look at history, who has executed more innocent people, America or Europe?.... ever heard the SPanish Inquisition?? try reading a book sometime.
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hmm, let;s look at history, who has executed more innocent people, America or Europe?.... ever heard the SPanish Inquisition?? try reading a book sometime.
Who murdered the Native Americans and shot all the American Bison ?

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hmm, let;s look at history, who has executed more innocent people, America or Europe?.... ever heard the SPanish Inquisition?? try reading a book sometime.
Lmao I'm not talking about history, I'm happy to admit that it's been European countries that have been responsible for some of the worst atrocities of all time, and I do read plenty of books thanks. But you wanted to compare justice systems, and Western European countries have not been in the practice of executing people for quite some time, and certainly not innocent people

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García Cárcel estimates that the total number processed by the Spanish Inquisition throughout its history was approximately 150,000; applying the percentages of executions that appeared in the trials of 1560–1700 — about 2% — the approximate total would be about 3,000 put to death.

So, not a lot really, and hardly any at all compared to the ravages of war and disease of the time .....

Of course, lots more were tortured, but that was considered "normal" :

Although the Inquisition was technically forbidden from permanently harming or drawing blood, this still allowed for methods of torture. The methods most used, and common in other secular and ecclesiastical tribunals, were garrucha, toca and the potro.

The application of the garrucha, also known as the strappado, consisted of suspending the victim from the ceiling by the wrists, which are tied behind the back. Sometimes weights were tied to the ankles, with a series of lifts and drops, during which the arms and legs suffered violent pulls and were sometimes dislocated.

The toca, also called interrogatorio mejorado del agua, consisted of introducing a cloth into the mouth of the victim, and forcing them to ingest water spilled from a jar so that they had the impression of drowning (see: waterboarding).

The potro, the rack, was the instrument of torture used most frequently.

The Church, itself, did not kill. The most serious punishment was relaxation to the secular arm for burning at the stake. This penalty was usually applied to impenitent heretics and those who had relapsed. Execution was public. If the condemned repented, they were shown mercy by being garroted before burning; if not, they were burned alive.

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Let's not turn this into an us versus them. Back to the subject at hand...

lostalex, your passionate "defence" of Amanda Knox is laughable. Thanks for the afternoon chuckle.

You are entitled to your opinion (of course) and have made some valid points but to discuss the case as though she's 100% "guilty of no crime" is an absolute joke.

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The United States has the highest documented incarceration rate in the world. At year-end 2009 it was 743 adults incarcerated per 100,000 population.

According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) 2,292,133 adults were incarcerated in U.S. federal and state prisons, and county jails at year-end 2009 — about 1% of adults in the U.S. resident population. Additionally, 4,933,667 adults at year-end 2009 were on probation or on parole. In total, 7,225,800 adults were under correctional supervision (probation, parole, jail, or prison) in 2009 — about 3.1% of adults in the U.S. resident population."

On January 1, 2008 more than 1 in 100 adults in the United States was in prison or jail.

In 2008 approximately one in every 31 adults (7.3 million) in the United States was behind bars, or being monitored (probation and parole). In 2008 the breakdown for adults under correctional control was as follows: one out of 18 men, one in 89 women, one in 11 African-Americans (9.2 percent), one in 27 Latinos (3.7 percent), and one in 45 whites (2.2 percent). 70% of prisoners in the United States are non-whites.

In addition, there were 86,927 held in juvenile facilities as of the 2007 Census of Juveniles in Residential Placement (CJRP), conducted by the Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention.
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A Channel 5 documentary about Amanda Knox is to show previously unseen footage of the murder scene of British student Meredith Kercher.

Amanda Knox: the Untold Story, made by ITN, will recount the details of the 2007 murder and the case that culminated in Knox's acquittal earlier this month. The documentary will also focus on the ongoing search for Kercher's killer.

Members of Knox's family are due to contribute to the programme, which is also expected to feature an exclusive interview with Patrick Lumumba, the man Knox initially accused of the murder.

Channel 5's Michelle Chappell, commissioning editor for news, current affairs and documentaries said: "The case of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito has gripped the world for over four years and this documentary attempts to unravel some of the unanswered questions and shocking mistakes surrounding the high-profile trial.

"It will seek to answer what happened that night in Perugia."

The hour-long documentary is in production now and planned to air before the end of October.
Now THAT should be interesting and, possibly, illuminating .....
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This programme is on this Tuesday at 20:00

I wonder if this programme will prove that Amanda is guilty
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I wonder if this programme will prove that Amanda is guilty
If two trials couldnt I highly doubt that Channel 5 can.
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Another link to the Channel Five programme

Some of the comments make interesting reading, and some of them seem to point to a website explaining why they say Amanda is guilty and the appeal court ruling is a travesty of justice
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An interesting programme. I doubt they will ever find out what truly happened that night.
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The first half just showed that Amanda Knox still has a case to answer
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The channel; 5 programme was a remake of another programme they'd shown BEFORE the appeal. It was a total propaganda piece and the amount of time they allowed the corrupt and discredited prosecuter, MIGNINI, to speak in it proved what a hit piece it was.

It was the biggest load of CRAP i'd ever seen.

My favourite quote from it was "after ONLY 5 hours of interogation, Amanda pointed the finger at an innocent man". LMAO 2 "ONLY" 5 hours, as if 5 hours of being interogated in a foreign language is not much time at all???

Amanda suffered worse interogation techniques than people at Guantanamo bay would face!! Atleast epople at Guantanamo have3 laywers and translators and they arn't physically abused like Amanda was. Pathetiuc effort from channel 5.

If Meredith was not British i doubt we'd see this type of BS propaganda from the UK media, but unfortunately, the UK is incredibly nationalist and xenophobic. Especially against Americans and Italians.
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So what about her suspicious behaviour as pointed out by the programme?

As for the interrogation, when someone is hiding something you need to use a robust technique to break through the lies and make them tell the truth. Even with these robust techniques she was still wrapped up in lie, indicated by her trying to frame an innocent man.

Lets not forget she is still a convicted criminal who served three years for lying to the police about her former boss. As the prosecutors say, why would she lie, if she were not involved?

That is why the next court will overturn this appeal and lets hope if that happens, we can make the US government finally honour their treaties and hand Amanda back to serve her sentence for murder.
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I watch the Ch4 documentary. Its awful how shes lost 4 years of her life.

Im really interested what actually took place though.
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Im really interested what actually took place though.
Did you mean the Channel 5 documentary or was there one on Channel 4 as well
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We are none the wiser as to what happened that night and I'm not sure we ever will be. The only 'fact' in the documentary is that Meredith is the victim here and I cannot imagine how difficult this is for her family..the 'details' of what happened to her that night are hard enough to bear..but to feel that there is a very real probability that the persons responsible will never be brought to justice is horrendous. My thoughts are for Meredith and her family.
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