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Incensed · 14-11-2011, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, the 3 of them had decided not to spend their money on it. After they'd decided not to Jay and Louise changed their minds and decided to buy it. Common courtesy would have been to atleast tell Aaron and give him one more chance to be involved. It's one thing for none of them to do it, no one looks bad but for those two to do it and leave him out and so he turns up with no present, looks very bad and makes him feel a dick.

Ok, I take your point, but if he had felt that bad about it, there was nothing stopping him from telling BB that on reflection he too had changed his mind and would liked to be included. You can only assume then that he still didn't agree with it, so even if they had have asked him he wouldn't have still wanted to contribute anyway, which is possibly what Jay and Louise thought would be the case.

ChristmasNeeve · 14-11-2011, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Incensed

Ok, I take your point, but if he had felt that bad about it, there was nothing stopping him from telling BB that on reflection he too had changed his mind and would liked to be included. You can only assume then that he still didn't agree with it, so even if they had have asked him he wouldn't have still wanted to contribute anyway, which is possibly what Jay and Louise thought would be the case.

But he didn't know about it, till the presents were delivered at the party

In the Drunk Tank · 14-11-2011, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, the 3 of them had decided not to spend their money on it. After they'd decided not to Jay and Louise changed their minds and decided to buy it. Common courtesy would have been to atleast tell Aaron and give him one more chance to be involved. It's one thing for none of them to do it, no one looks bad but for those two to do it and leave him out and so he turns up with no present, looks very bad and makes him feel a dick.

They didn't agree that as a group though, Aaron ruled himself out and told Jay and Louise to go ahead if they wanted to before the two of them had made their decision

Pyramid* · 14-11-2011, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Incensed

If he backs out of the deal, then it shows the guy has no principles, simple as that.

As for people saying that Jay went behind Aaron's back oevr the present incident, can someone please explain to me why Jay and Louise needed Aaron's permission to spend their money how they see fit? Aaron was asked if he wanted to contribute, he said no, end of.

1. It is the same lack of principle that you mention yourself abovce
2. The money was not yet in their hands. BB could still have changed rules
3. It was designed to make another housemate look foolish
4. It was designed less out of goodwill & gesture (as shown clearly by Louise when she immediately went into the bedroom and bitched about Alex)
5. Even Jay soon after it (even before speaking with Aaron) said he regretted buying the gifts.

In the Drunk Tank · 14-11-2011, 03:45 PM

And also BB told Jay and Louise that they couldn't tell Aaron they'd bough them apparently

Incensed · 14-11-2011, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

And also BB told Jay and Louise that they couldn't tell Aaron they'd bough them apparently

Yep.

Pyramid* · 14-11-2011, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

And also BB told Jay and Louise that they couldn't tell Aaron they'd bough them apparently

I can't recall this?

If so, it shows that suddenly, Jay who had no respect for BB on many occasions, suddenly decided to listen to BB at that point?

Parmy · 14-11-2011, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I can't recall this?

If so, it shows that suddenly, Jay who had no respect for BB on many occasions, suddenly decided to listen to BB at that point?

They told them they can't say anything to anyone. I think they meant Tom and Alex though..Jay and louise used it as an excuse for not letting on to Aaron..I don't think Jay or louise were trying to make Aaron look bad though.

Pyramid* · 14-11-2011, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

They told them they can't say anything to anyone. I think they meant Tom and Alex though..Jay and louise used it as an excuse for not letting on to Aaron..I don't think Jay or louise were trying to make Aaron look bad though.

So they didn't out and out say BB told them not to tell Aaron specifically, which is very much what MTVN was implying (certainly it came across that way in his post). ?

If what you have said is correct - I agree with you - it sounds like a lame way of those two trying to cover up their own guilt at knowing what they were doing was 'shay-day'. Kinda like the wine.

Parmy · 14-11-2011, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid*

So they didn't out and out say BB told them not to tell Aaron specifically, which is very much what MTVN was implying (certainly it came across that way in his post). ?

If what you have said is correct - I agree with you - it sounds like a lame way of those two trying to cover up their own guilt at knowing what they were doing was 'shay-day'. Kinda like the wine.

Yeah it's true, but my point and belief is that they didn't really know what they were doing or know how it would look..Jay did apologise after it anyway so it should have all been forgotten....sigh, but well, we all know it wans't.

In the Drunk Tank · 14-11-2011, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I can't recall this?

If so, it shows that suddenly, Jay who had no respect for BB on many occasions, suddenly decided to listen to BB at that point?

It was in one of the FB clips that didn't make the HL's and Jay has often listened to BB, he acknowledged and accepted both of the warnings they gave him and he carried out BB's instructions to tell the rest of the housemates to stop trashing the place early on

Pyramid* · 14-11-2011, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

It was in one of the FB clips that didn't make the HL's and Jay has often listened to BB, he acknowledged and accepted both of the warnings they gave him and he carried out BB's instructions to tell the rest of the housemates to stop trashing the place early on

Jay listened to BB that much that he had to be pulled into the diary room and told "This is not the first time that BB has had to speak to you about such behaviour...".

Yep, that very much sounds like Jay listened to BB.

ChristmasNeeve · 14-11-2011, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Ok forget the comparrison, maybe it's not quite the same thing.

What is evident though is the fact that Aaron knew as they went in the diary room to buy the presents that they were going to buy them. So he did still have the opportunity to change his mind and buy them, or at very least, ask Jay and Loiuse if they had changed their minds and bought them something.He could then have offered to buy them a cheaper gift with his 900 pound rather than act all prissy about it.

I don't think he did, he seemed surprised when the gifts arrived

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Originally Posted by MTVN

And also BB told Jay and Louise that they couldn't tell Aaron they'd bough them apparently

Yes, but they should have said it to him before they went in anyway, to give him the opportunity to be involved.

thesheriff443 · 14-11-2011, 04:01 PM

aaron should split the money!,they shook on the deal!,regardless of anything else that went on previously,

Pyramid* · 14-11-2011, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443

aaron should split the money!,they shook on the deal!,regardless of anything else that went on previously,

Why disregard what had happened? Because it suits Jay fans / non Aaron fans to do so?

psychtracker · 14-11-2011, 04:23 PM

Totally agree with MTVN on this one. It's double standards for people on this board to be vocal in expecting Alex to share her winnings because of the agreement, and then saying Aaron shouldn't - or being prepared to defend him if he doesn't. And the whole presentgate reference is pure clutching at straws. Aaron initiated the 30/20 split, and it was made well after presentgate had blown over. You'd just as well be arguing that Aaron shouldn't split his earnings with Jay because of an argument they had in week 3, it's completely irrelevant. As they say, a deal is a deal!

ChristmasNeeve · 14-11-2011, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by psychtracker

Totally agree with MTVN on this one. It's double standards for people on this board to be vocal in expecting Alex to share her winnings because of the agreement, and then saying Aaron shouldn't - or being prepared to defend him if he doesn't. And the whole presentgate reference is pure clutching at straws. Aaron initiated the 30/20 split, and it was made well after presentgate had blown over. You'd just as well be arguing that Aaron shouldn't split his earnings with Jay because of an argument they had in week 3, it's completely irrelevant. As they say, a deal is a deal!

I agree.

Pyramid* · 14-11-2011, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by psychtracker

Totally agree with MTVN on this one. It's double standards for people on this board to be vocal in expecting Alex to share her winnings because of the agreement, and then saying Aaron shouldn't - or being prepared to defend him if he doesn't. And the whole presentgate reference is pure clutching at straws. Aaron initiated the 30/20 split, and it was made well after presentgate had blown over. You'd just as well be arguing that Aaron shouldn't split his earnings with Jay because of an argument they had in week 3, it's completely irrelevant. As they say, a deal is a deal!

And for all the reasons I have posted on this thread, i find it equally as hypocritical that some cannot see the difference in the differing 3 scenarios.

Yayita · 14-11-2011, 04:34 PM

If Aaron renegs then they should all reneg with regards to the 10K they were supposed to give him.

Pyramid* · 14-11-2011, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Yayita

If Aaron renegs then they should all reneg with regards to the 10K they were supposed to give him.

That wouldn't affect Louise or Tom would it.... they also would suffer.

so now we are bringing into it, a whole gambit of spin off as to how it should affect the housemates.

Yayita · 14-11-2011, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid*

That wouldn't affect Louise or Tom would it.... they also would suffer.

so now we are bringing into it, a whole gambit of spin off as to how it should affect the housemates.

Just not give Aaron the 10K and split it amongst themselves since he has decided to back out of giving Jay the 20K.. If its good enough for him to reneg, then he will understand if the others do as well and shouldn't mind if they don't give him the original 10K

thesheriff443 · 14-11-2011, 04:59 PM

two wrongs dont make a right!

Yayita · 14-11-2011, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443

two wrongs dont make a right!

Whaaaaa???? In this is case is only fair. So do you suggest he back out and still expect the 10K from the original agreement?

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.... If its fair for one person, then it should be fair for all persons.

Pyramid* · 14-11-2011, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Incensed

Personally I wouldn't have been upset by something like that, truly I wouldn't, I'm not just saying it. If I didn't want to contribute, said so and told the other people to do what they want, then that would be the end of it as far as I'm concerned.

That's the very point. What one person regards as what the correct action / behaviour is: is not a reason for another person accepting that as the only action/behaviour to be deemed correct.

We are all different. We all react differently. We all have our own subjective reasons why we feel so differently.

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443

two wrongs dont make a right!

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth also applies.

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Originally Posted by Yayita

Whaaaaa???? In this is case is only fair. So do you suggest he back out and still expect the 10K from the original agreement?

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.... If its fair for one person, then it should be fair for all persons.

Absolutely. It's hypocritical to say it's okay for one person to do something, but not okay for someone else to do the same thing.