[lostalex]

It makes me proud of the gay rights movement, and gay rights parades and protests. Other minority rights groups/activists engage in SHAMEful behavior, while almost all gay rights protests are all about PRIDE.

Shame on the "protesters" in Ferguson. disgraceful. I would be aSHAMEd if i was a member of that community.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

It makes me proud of the gay rights movement, and gay rights parades and protests. Other minority rights groups/activists engage in SHAMEful behavior, while almost all gay rights protests are all about PRIDE.

Shame on the "protesters" in Ferguson. disgraceful. I would be aSHAMEd if i was a member of that community.

Gay rights, with plenty of gay people in positions and employment in the higher end of the spectrum where help and support can be obtained to avoid being "uncivilised" "apes".

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Gay rights, with plenty of positions and employment in the higher end of the spectrum where help and support can be obtained to avoid being "uncivilised" "apes".

really? compare how many scholarships there are for blacks compared to scholarships for gays. not to mention the fact that blacks have had equal rights for over 50 years now, while gays still don't have equal rights.

You should think before you speak. It's a fact that gays have it worse in this country and around the world than blacks, that's a fact.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

really? compare how many scholarships there are for blacks compared to scholarships for gays. not to mention the fact that blacks have had equal rights for over 50 years now, while gays still don't have equal rights.

Blacks have been fighting for equal/civil rights since the 1900's, possibly earlier. In the earlier stages plenty of our protests and parades were civilised too.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Blacks have been fighting for equal/civil rights since the 1900's, possibly earlier. In the earlier stages plenty of our protests and parades were civilised too.

Yes we know that

There is a Black President now
trouble is he acted as a adviser all the time
and Failed America.

The Bin Laden mission was on
who ever was in power

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Blacks have been fighting for equal/civil rights since the 1900's, possibly earlier. In the earlier stages plenty of our protests and parades were civilised too.

[IMG]propaganda[/IMG]

wow, cute propaganda image. yay for google images...

and gay people have been oppressed, enslaved and had their rights denied since the beginning of time by not only white people, but by Blacks and every other race too.

What is your point?

[Creggle]

From everything I've read about this, the officer was well in the right shooting 'Mr.' Brown. Would of been better if he had disabled him rather than killing him but it's hardly a loss to the world that this kid is dead... If he was white, there would be no issue, this is just a group of people jumping at the chance to kick up a fuss because OBVIOUSLY every bloody 'injustice' in the world (if this could even be classed as such a thing) has to boil down to racism... No.
It was a dangerous criminal putting people at risk, he got put down, end of story.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Creggle

From everything I've read about this, the officer was well in the right shooting 'Mr.' Brown. Would of been better if he had disabled him rather than killing him but it's hardly a loss to the world that this kid is dead... If he was white, there would be no issue, this is just a group of people jumping at the chance to kick up a fuss because OBVIOUSLY every bloody 'injustice' in the world (if this could even be classed as such a thing) has to boil down to racism... No.
It was a dangerous criminal putting people at risk, he got put down, end of story.

Unarmed, you are so right. Major threat.

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Unarmed, you are so right. Major threat.

He's as big and nasty as somebody twice his age, he lives in a rough area and his family may own guns, it isn't a stretch the believe his could be real. Failing that, he could seriously injure somebody throwing his weight around. The cop made a decision and was in his rights to do so, imagine what this psychopath could of been capable of in 6 years time, it was prison or the morgue.

Don't get me wrong, in a perfect world prison would of been better, then he could of justifiably ate a bullet if he did something like this when he got out, but what happened happened. Not everybody get's a second chance.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Creggle

He's as big and nasty as somebody twice his age, he lives in a rough area and his family may own guns, it isn't a stretch the believe his could be real. Failing that, he could seriously injure somebody throwing his weight around. The cop made a decision and was in his rights to do so, imagine what this psychopath could of been capable of in 6 years time, it was prison or the morgue.

Don't get me wrong, in a perfect world prison would of been better, then he could of justifiably ate a bullet if he did something like this when he got out, but what happened happened. Not everybody get's a second chance.

Are you a cop? You sound like one. Family possibly owned a gun like those whites that go to those gun practising establishments on a weekly basis? Big and nasty like Hulk hogan like the cop described? If cops can't handle coming face to face with people twice their size they shouldn't be in this business. There should have been other options then shooting him dead. He was unarmed!! Nobody should be shot dead on assumption. And he was nasty? Why because the press said so? Why is there no pics of him graduating in huge news outlets? He was an animal lover why isn't it talked about? No they only vilify who they want to so the public can be like he "deserved" it.

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Are you a cop? You sound like one. Family possibly owned a gun like those whites that go to those gun practising establishments on a weekly basis? Big and nasty like Hulk hogan like the cop described? If cops can't handle coming face to face with people twice their size they shouldn't be in this business. There should have been other options then shooting him dead. He was unarmed!! Nobody should be shot dead on assumption. And he was nasty? Why because the press said so? Why is there no pics of him graduating in huge news outlets? He was an animal lover why isn't it talked about? No they only vilify who they want to so the public can be like he "deserved" it.

It isn't that comparable though, any family that own firearms, aren't going to leave them on the coffee table, especially when they know they have a problem child running around the house with a juvenile record, unless they are a messed up, criminalized family that don't give a ****. Also, you don't think gun peddlers sell to children over there!?

So... You're in the 'ghetto' and a person who looks around 18-20 demands something from a shop clerk, waving a gun around... Pretty open and shut case imo, he shouldn't of fired a fatal shot, just like you shouldnt open a glass door by pressing on the glass, but w.e.

I'd rather a criminal die with a fake gun in their hand than an officer of the law dying because they decided not to open fire. Not everyones lives are equal, there a things in this world that you can do, to devalue your own, and holding up a shop at gunpoint is one of them. The fact the gun was fake doesn't mean sh!t, was it a bright pink super soaker? There was no way to tell his 'toy' was a toy without him firing a shot or without inspecting it after the fact. If it's real and even if you shoot the dude in the leg, what's to stop him putting 3 in your chest on the way down?

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Creggle

From everything I've read about this, the officer was well in the right shooting 'Mr.' Brown. Would of been better if he had disabled him rather than killing him but it's hardly a loss to the world that this kid is dead... If he was white, there would be no issue, this is just a group of people jumping at the chance to kick up a fuss because OBVIOUSLY every bloody 'injustice' in the world (if this could even be classed as such a thing) has to boil down to racism... No.
It was a dangerous criminal putting people at risk, he got put down, end of story.

Very brave of you to say so...

I do agree with you, but i think police brutality is quite bad in the states...

Although saying this, if you had to deal with all the things they have to, surely you would be brutal/paranoid?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Very brave of you to say so...

I do agree with you, but i think police brutality is quite bad in the states...

Although saying this, if you had to deal with all the things they have to, surely you would be brutal/paranoid?

you hit the nail on the head Nina. this is about Police training and conduct, nothing to do with racism at all. there is no evidence that race played a part in this case at all. I haven't heard any evidence that this police officer was a racist.

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Very brave of you to say so...

I do agree with you, but i think police brutality is quite bad in the states...

Although saying this, if you had to deal with all the things they have to, surely you would be brutal/paranoid?

If I was an officer in the USA, and had a knickel for every criminal going to the hospital with a bullet or 10 in their legs... I'd retire early

EDIT: fml double post

[lostalex]

I think there should be a separate thread for the 12 y/o fake gun story. It doesn't make sense for us to be discussion both at the same time.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I think there should be a separate thread for the 12 y/o fake gun story. It doesn't make sense for us to be discussion both at the same time.

Yeah, you're right, I'll move these posts

[Shaun]

Oh lord you're a ****ing idiot

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Edit: Ok ITV news will report Ferguson.

[Ammi]

..it's strange how it was all concentrated on the inconsistencies of the witnesses testimonies but there seem to be inconsistencies in Wilson's also...he seemed to have a 'clear' head in his thought processes as he described them how he thought about using mace but then decided that wouldn't maybe be effective..?...and then his flashlight..?..before coming to the conclusion that he had to draw his gun....and yet when he was firing..(repeatedly..)...and someone who was unarmed, he couldn't remember how many shots were fired, where he had aimed exactly..?...

...it's also apparently the first time that he had used his firearm...it kind of leads you to think that maybe at the very least, he completely panicked in what was genuine fear...but that in itself is surely completely unacceptable because a member of the public would be charged in a similar situation..?...he's a trained police officer..he's trained not to panic....just because he may have felt that Michael Brown was a threat to his life, doesn't mean that he was one...and if he was still having 'rational thought' like he himself describes then why wasn't that identified by him also....an aimed non lethal shot would have prevented that threat/preserved life... but 12 shots suggests panic and completely wrong for the situation he found himself in....

[Ammi]

..oh also, the anger thing and that Michael Brown looked like a 'demon' or something..?...when he described that 'look', he had just shot him, saw the blood so that 'look' would have surely been pain....my personal thoughts are that instead od waiting for some kind of back up, he went into a situation..lost control of it..became scared/panicked and shot and shot at Michael Brown until he was lifeless, so removing his fear....but that's murder though, isn't it..?...

[kirklancaster]

[QUOTE=Ammi;7391167]..it's strange how it was all concentrated on the inconsistencies of the witnesses testimonies but there seem to be inconsistencies in Wilson's also...he seemed to have a 'clear' head in his thought processes as he described them how he thought about using mace but then decided that wouldn't maybe be effective..?...and then his flashlight..?..before coming to the conclusion that he had to draw his gun....

Absolutely Ammi -- such a self proclaimed sequence of thought processes are hardly supportive of "unavoidable action" due to a "state of panic" or "fear for life" are they?

Rule the panic driven knee-jerk reaction theory out, and we are left with only one conclusion - deliberate execution of an unarmed man by a serving police officer for his own personal motives.

It is then, only the motives themselves which need theorising and speculating upon.

Did the Officer Wilson detest people with the name Brown? Did he detest thieves? Did he lose his temper because - according to some eyewitnesses he attempted to open his 'prowler' car door but couldn't because he initially drew up too close to Brown and Johnson? Did Brown and Wilson struggle through the open window of the prowler? Did Wilson's gun go off accidentally during such a struggle?

All the above is totally irrelevant in addressing the $64,000 question of whether Wilson shot Brown legitimately 'in the line of duty'? or executed him unnecessarily for personal reasons.

The facts are irrefutable;

Brown was unharmed, debilitated and wounded by Wilson's first shot, so every additional shot was both unnecessary and of murderous intent.

There is absolutely no mitigation for the other shots - be they an additional 5 or an additional 11.

This was murder. Nothing less, and only the motive remains to be ascertained. I know - given the facts as we have them - what my conclusion is.

[Ammi]

..the thing about it is as well...the 'demon look' or however he described it would be contributed to the fact that he had just been shot and wounded and the only time that Wilson could genuinely been in fear for his life was when there was an apparent struggle in the car when he said that Michael Brown tried to grab it and point it back at him..?...other than that, Michael Brown was running away from the incident and Wilson perused him ...even if he wasn't shot in the back...what Wilson said was that he feared his life when he killed Michael Brown...?...so when Michael Brown was approaching him and close enough to be a threat..(as he was unarmed..) so had to be pretty close to him...then a trained police office could not prevent that threat at such a close range with one shot to wound..?...or was he further away and more shots were required..?...so he wasn't a threat to Wilson's life then..?...

...I think he just put his finger on the trigger of his gun and didn't stop until the gun was empty at a time when there was no longer a 'threat' to his life and there is no way that was 'self defence'....and those are by Wilson's own version....not by any other eye witness accounts....

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..the thing about it is as well...the 'demon look' or however he described it would be contributed to the fact that he had just been shot and wounded and the only time that Wilson could genuinely been in fear for his life was when there was an apparent struggle in the car when he said that Michael Brown tried to grab it and point it back at him..?...other than that, Michael Brown was running away from the incident and Wilson perused him ...even if he wasn't shot in the back...what Wilson said was that he feared his life when he killed Michael Brown...?...so when Michael Brown was approaching him and close enough to be a threat..(as he was unarmed..) so had to be pretty close to him...then a trained police office could not prevent that threat at such a close range with one shot to wound..?...or was he further away and more shots were required..?...so he wasn't a threat to Wilson's life then..?...

...I think he just put his finger on the trigger of his gun and didn't stop until the gun was empty at a time when there was no longer a 'threat' to his life and there is no way that was 'self defence'....and those are by Wilson's own version....not by any other eye witness accounts....

M.Brown was a Walking Death Wish
look at him here robbing a store

[arista]

The one thing M. Browns Family
have said is every Police Officer
should have a camera on them filming
then we can all see what went on.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

The one thing M. Browns Family
have said is every Police Officer
should have a camera on them filming
then we can all see what went on.

i doubt that would have solved this. there are some people who will support a violent thug even with video evidence, and there is video evidence in this case of him being a violent thug.

Some people are very tribal, and just support their own, and can't hear reason.