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kirklancaster · 12-11-2014, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dollface

I agree with pretty much everything Livia said (especially the "you have no more proof that God doesn't exist than i have that he does) so true.

I watched the documentary about Stephanie Slater, really horrible what she went through.
My uncle (who sadly is now an angel) was an Atheist, but he saw God whilst he was in hospital with a serious illness. I know peoples minds can play tricks on them when they're in a state of shock or whatever but my uncle really believed he saw God (even though he'd been an Atheist his whole life) and i believe he did too.

There are 1000's of well documented examples of this including 100's of cases of those surviving 'Near Death' experiences. I'm not trying to convert anybody but all this from people who have no reason to lie (and who swear they were not deluded or having hallucinations) I take to bolster my own faith. If others want to perceive some psychological tricks that the brain plays at such times then that's fine.

I would turn the atheist's favourite question around on them though, and ask, why then doesn't the brain play the same psychological tricks on everyone who is dying or who has 'Near Death' experiences?

Additionally, why do so many rational people - even lifelong atheists - who have these 'visions' insist on what they have seen and maintain that it was God or Jesus?

AnnieK · 12-11-2014, 04:05 PM

Due to personal circumstances at the moment, this is something I have been talking a lot about and whether when you die that's it but the simple fact is no-one is ever going to know....simple. Whatever your personal beliefs if something helps you as your near the end of your life then that can only be a good thing.....

Crimson Dynamo · 12-11-2014, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

That's a lovely story, Trumpet.

Its a true one, when i picked up the banana she nearly had a fit and ran into the house

naturally i ran after here making squeaking noises

Livia · 12-11-2014, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its a true one, when i picked up the banana she nearly had a fit and ran into the house

naturally i ran after here making squeaking noises

I believe you. In fact, I'd have been a little disappointed if you hadn't...

JoshBB · 12-11-2014, 04:11 PM

If said religious experience did exist, why does Jesus/God choose not to show himself to everyone to prove his existence? It seems illogical.

kirklancaster · 12-11-2014, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Indeed

Good - I am pleased.

Livia · 12-11-2014, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JoshBB

If said religious experience did exist, why does Jesus/God choose not to show himself to everyone to prove his existence? It seems illogical.

Because you have to have faith. I have faith... I can't explain what it is to you, and if you don't have it you wouldn't understand it if I could explain.

InOne · 12-11-2014, 04:30 PM

Can't do anything with personal experience because that's what it is - personal.

Ninastar · 12-11-2014, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

I remember reading an account of when Apple's Steve Jobs died. As he was dying he is reported to have looked past his family and his last words were, "Oh wow, oh wow, oh wow..." Who knows what he saw? Who knows whether it was real, or whether it was a misfiring synapse somewhere in his hippocampus throwing up an old memory? No one knows and no one will know until their time is up. Until then, this event obviously gave comfort to his family and to others with terminal illness, and I can't see that as a bad thing.

My sisters psychologist said that he's met many people who have 'died' and come back. He says he's met people who died and came back, who were in accidents, and he says he met those who took their own lives were brought back... But what he told me about each is something that will stay with me forever.

He said that the people who took their own lives, saw nothing but darkness and fear when they were dying. The people who were dying because of an accident, saw nothing but white and felt 'very happy'...

Now I'm not religious, but this is really something that made me think.

It does make me wonder what goes on after life...

Crimson Dynamo · 12-11-2014, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninastar

My sisters psychologist said that he's met many people who have 'died' and come back. He says he's met people who died and came back, who were in accidents, and he says he met those who took their own lives were brought back... But what he told me about each is something that will stay with me forever.

He said that the people who took their own lives, saw nothing but darkness and fear when they were dying. The people who were dying because of an accident, saw nothing but white and felt 'very happy'...

Now I'm not religious, but this is really something that made me think.

It does make me wonder what goes on after life...

That sounds like a crock to me, with respect.

Anecdotal at best

kirklancaster · 12-11-2014, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninastar

My sisters psychologist said that he's met many people who have 'died' and come back. He says he's met people who died and came back, who were in accidents, and he says he met those who took their own lives were brought back... But what he told me about each is something that will stay with me forever.

He said that the people who took their own lives, saw nothing but darkness and fear when they were dying. The people who were dying because of an accident, saw nothing but white and felt 'very happy'...

Now I'm not religious, but this is really something that made me think.

It does make me wonder what goes on after life...

A good post.

kirklancaster · 12-11-2014, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

That sounds like a crock to me, with respect.

Anecdotal at best

Why is it that anybody who posts anything which doesn't fit in with your view of things is talking a 'crock'?

arista · 12-11-2014, 06:59 PM

This Comet we have contact with
is Proof there is No God , No bible etc

Crimson Dynamo · 12-11-2014, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Why is it that anybody who posts anything which doesn't fit in with your view of things is talking a 'crock'?

Its just anecdotal stuff

I know I guy i met in a pub who saw a ghost, yada yada

As arista says

What man achieved today is real, amazing and worth believing in

Its another great win for science over superstition

Kazanne · 12-11-2014, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its just anecdotal stuff

I know I guy i met in a pub who saw a ghost, yada yada

As arista says

What man achieved today is real, amazing and worth believing in

Its another great win for science over superstition

And LT,just WHO or WHERE did man get the tools of knowledge to do all these things,and remember 'amazing'man has also totally effed the planet up by his arrogant superiority.

Crimson Dynamo · 12-11-2014, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

And LT,just WHO or WHERE did man get the tools of knowledge to do all these things,and remember 'amazing'man has also totally effed the planet up by his arrogant superiority.

I am sorry but I dont follow your line of thought?

kirklancaster · 12-11-2014, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its just anecdotal stuff

I know I guy i met in a pub who saw a ghost, yada yada

As arista says

What man achieved today is real, amazing and worth believing in

Its another great win for science over superstition

LOL - It's nothing of the kind. It's a great achievement by Man but does nothing to prove or disprove the existence of a God.

Really, you need to analyse your thoughts LT before committing them to paper- It's like you having a child and when that child grows up he becomes a scientist and discovers a new rocket propulsion system. How does that disprove your existence?

Crimson Dynamo · 12-11-2014, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

LOL - It's nothing of the kind. It's a great achievement by Man but does nothing to prove or disprove the existence of a God.

Really, you need to analyse your thoughts LT before committing them to paper- It's like you having a child and when that child grows up he becomes a scientist and discovers a new rocket propulsion system. How does that disprove your existence?

I am sorry but I dont follow your line of thought?

kirklancaster · 12-11-2014, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

And LT,just WHO or WHERE did man get the tools of knowledge to do all these things,and remember 'amazing'man has also totally effed the planet up by his arrogant superiority.

Go Kaz - hope you get more sensible, more relevant answers from him than I have.

kirklancaster · 12-11-2014, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am sorry but I dont follow your line of thought?

For those who believe in God our Father - how does the technological advances made by Man (His children) and their achievements as a result of those advances, disprove God (The Father)?

You give your son his genes, what he achieves as he grows is independent of you but because of you, and it does not disprove your existence.

Crimson Dynamo · 12-11-2014, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

For those who believe in God our Father - how does the technological advances made by Man (His children) and their achievements as a result of those advances, disprove God (The Father)?

You give your son his genes, what he achieves as he grows is independent of you but because of you, and it does not disprove your existence.

Arista said it disproved your god, not I