[arista]

[Dumb b**ch, hope you get bottled': Student's vile twitter Twitter abuse of war-supporting MPs]

[A Labour MP called in cops yesterday after
an online troll threatened to stab
him for backing bombing in Syria.
Neil Coyle was just one of the Opposition
members to suffer vicious abuse
after voting to support
PM David Cameron’s call to fight IS. ]



Photo of the Young black female who
who wants to bottle the Labour MP
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...o-war-MPs.html

[user104658]

Ohhh also, just to add, I am pro-indy Scottish and I am represented by an SNP MP, all of whom voted against this action. So not actually a traitor by any description . (Which is frankly a ludicrous statement to be making in the first place by the way, and pretty much loses you all credibility).

I just sadly live in an occupied country. Voluntarily occupied, at that. Because of people lapping up government scaremongering and ****. I'm starting to see a pattern emerging I think...

[Cherie]

I think it's a bit rich to accuse people of crowing TS when your own posts come across a little more than smug. We elect people to make these decisions for us, if it went to referendum it might not have been so clear cut as a lot of people can see pros and cons in both approaches, the vote was out of our hands so there is little point crying about what might have been, no one wants civilian casualties but no one wants the world we live in currently either where we can no longer visit certain countries, and don't want to take this kids to shopping centres or crowded places just in case", where we have to endure body and bag searches I don't know what the answer is but staying out of it won't do us any good any more than getting into it, it's catch 22 with no winners

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie Christmas

I think it's a bit rich to accuse people of crowing TS when your own posts come across a little more than smug.

Comfortably a self-assured arsehole fanks for yrr concern . It's what happens when you're consistently always right forever, as you will see in a couple of years when I am inevitably also right about this and everyone in their dog is lining up to talk about Cameron's dodgy dossier and the disaster of the campaign in Syria a-la-Blair/Iraq. I will say I told you so, and I would be lying if I said I won't get any enjoyment out of doing so.

We elect people to make these decisions for us

I did not elect these people. I do not accept the will of the idiots who did.

if it went to referendum it might not have been so clear cut as a lot of people can see pros and cons in both approaches, the vote was out of our hands so there is little point crying about what might have been

If it went to referendum it would have gone the same way because, consistently, when the government runs a campaign leveraging people's fears (Scottish indy, 2015 General Election) people will vote accordingly. Those in power would have scared people into voting for action. See above re: idiots and me not accepting their will.

no one wants civilian casualties

Not about wanting them, there are plenty of people however who don't care very much about them (if they are not British, American, Australian, French, or other "folks like us"). People care more about 100 civilian casualties in Paris than they do about 5000 in the Middle East. This is painfully evident. No one "wants them" - they just fail to give it much actual thought.

but no one wants the world we live in currently either

Agreed, however

and don't want to take this kids to shopping centres or crowded places just in case"

I don't and never will live like this, because I have a rational understanding of risk and know that my children are more at risk every time they cross a road than they are in a shopping center. I will not be sucked in by fear propaganda as that is exactly "what the terrorists want" - just as they want us to start dropping bombs. It all helps them. It's a mind game and every time someone buys into it they further a problem that will never (ever) be solved with guns, bombs or bullets.

Finally - I don't know what the solution is either. I don't think there is one. See above, re: idiots. ISIS idiots, Western idiots, human idiots like dogs fighting over the meaningless bones of a long-broken world.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Comfortably a self-assured arsehole fanks for yrr concern . It's what happens when you're consistently always right forever, as you will see in a couple of years when I am inevitably also right about this and everyone in their dog is lining up to talk about Cameron's dodgy dossier and the disaster of the campaign in Syria a-la-Blair/Iraq. I will say I told you so, and I would be lying if I said I won't get any enjoyment out of doing so.



I did not elect these people. I do not accept the will of the idiots who did.



If it went to referendum it would have gone the same way because, consistently, when the government runs a campaign leveraging people's fears (Scottish indy, 2015 General Election) people will vote accordingly. Those in power would have scared people into voting for action. See above re: idiots and me not accepting their will.



Not about wanting them, there are plenty of people however who don't care very much about them (if they are not British, American, Australian, French, or other "folks like us"). People care more about 100 civilian casualties in Paris than they do about 5000 in the Middle East. This is painfully evident. No one "wants them" - they just fail to give it much actual thought.



Agreed, however



I don't and never will live like this, because I have a rational understanding of risk and know that my children are more at risk every time they cross a road than they are in a shopping center. I will not be sucked in by fear propaganda as that is exactly "what the terrorists want" - just as they want us to start dropping bombs. It all helps them. It's a mind game and every time someone buys into it they further a problem that will never (ever) be solved with guns, bombs or bullets.

Finally - I don't know what the solution is either. I don't think there is one. See above, re: idiots. ISIS idiots, Western idiots, human idiots like dogs fighting over the meaningless bones of a long-broken world.

I won't live like that either but I'm quite alarmed at the number of people who are beginning to live like it, insisting on armed police every where and cancelling trips to London etc

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie Christmas

I won't live like that either but I'm quite alarmed at the number of people who are beginning to live like it, insisting on armed police every where and cancelling trips to London etc

I know a girl who is scared to walk past the local "asian owned shop", it's getting insane. I'm pretty sure the owners aren't even Muslim - not that it should be an issue even if they were.

[James]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Ohhh also, just to add, I am pro-indy Scottish and I am represented by an SNP MP, all of whom voted against this action. So not actually a traitor by any description . (Which is frankly a ludicrous statement to be making in the first place by the way, and pretty much loses you all credibility).

I just sadly live in an occupied country. Voluntarily occupied, at that. Because of people lapping up government scaremongering and ****. I'm starting to see a pattern emerging I think...

In my opinion, the only thing the SNP really care about (in whatever political argument) is getting Scotland to eventually be an independent country. In 2013 Alex Salmond backed military action in Syria - http://www.scotsman.com/news/politic...mond-1-3071423

Their position now is about domestic politics, and sowing more division between Scotland and the UK.

I don't think Scotland is an occupied country in any sense.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by James

In my opinion, the only thing the SNP really care about (in whatever political argument) is getting Scotland to eventually be an independent country. In 2013 Alex Salmond backed military action in Syria - http://www.scotsman.com/news/politic...mond-1-3071423

Their position now is about domestic politics, and sowing more division between Scotland and the UK.

I don't think Scotland is an occupied country in any sense.

That's not the point, I'm not an SNP fanboy and likely would not have voted for the SNP in an independent Scotland.

The only point was that I did not vote for those who voted for war, therefore, the argument that "we vote for people to represent us and should then follow their decisions" is invalid; the people who I voted for to represent me did not vote for war, and therefore, I do not have to accept the decisions of people who were voted into power by others. I don't believe in majority rule, I don't particularly believe in democracy. I think it's the best system we currently can realistically have, but that does not make it a "good system". But I am an individualist and, no, I don't believe that anyone has to accept anything at all just because "the folks that most people voted for are choosing it". What nonsense.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by James

In my opinion, the only thing the SNP really care about (in whatever political argument) is getting Scotland to eventually be an independent country. In 2013 Alex Salmond backed military action in Syria - http://www.scotsman.com/news/politic...mond-1-3071423

Their position now is about domestic politics, and sowing more division between Scotland and the UK.

I don't think Scotland is an occupied country in any sense.

'The First Minister said Scottish MPs at Westminster backed the possibility of action through the UN - if the use of chemical weapons had been proved by weapons inspectors.'

Slight difference there, and that was a while ago are people not allowed to amend their thinking based on evidence and information?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by James

In my opinion, the only thing the SNP really care about (in whatever political argument) is getting Scotland to eventually be an independent country. In 2013 Alex Salmond backed military action in Syria - http://www.scotsman.com/news/politic...mond-1-3071423

Their position now is about domestic politics, and sowing more division between Scotland and the UK.

I don't think Scotland is an occupied country in any sense.

[T*]

i'm more shocked that people are shocked that we're doing this
it was obvious from the get go..

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mistletom*

i'm more shocked that people are shocked that we're doing this
it was obvious from the get go..

Who is shocked?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Mistletom*

i'm more shocked that people are shocked that we're doing this
it was obvious from the get go..

Who is shocked? What was obvious ? and when was the get go?

[bots]

Just a little point of note for those saying that bombing ISIS in Syria is such a bad thing.

ISIS are currently making Syria such a wonderful place to be and live that MILLIONS of Syrians have fled their country. Wow ISIS must be really wonderful to the people for that reaction eh?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

Just a little point of note for those saying that bombing ISIS in Syria is such a bad thing.

ISIS are currently making Syria such a wonderful place to be and live that MILLIONS of Syrians have fled their country. Wow ISIS must be really wonderful to the people for that reaction eh?

I've already responded to this exact criticism in the post replying to kirk, directly above yours so... Yeah. Re-read if desired, use dictionary and thesaurus if struggling.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

Just a little point of note for those saying that bombing ISIS in Syria is such a bad thing.

ISIS are currently making Syria such a wonderful place to be and live that MILLIONS of Syrians have fled their country. Wow ISIS must be really wonderful to the people for that reaction eh?

Wonderful...Who has ever intimated such a thing?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Wonderful...Who has ever intimated such a thing?

People who argue against bombing as it will have such a bad effect on the Syrian people, when millions have fled the terror in Syria

Hitlers Germany killed millions of Jews during the second world war and tried to take over Europe. ISIS are doing a very similar thing at the moment.

Should we have buried our head in the sand during WW2 too? After all, the innocent German people suffered from our bombing.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

Hitlers Germany killed millions of Jews during the second world war and tried to take over Europe. ISIS are doing a very similar thing at the moment.

Should we have buried our head in the sand during WW2 too?

Attempting to equate ISIS to WW2 era Nazi Germany is an absolute shambles of an argument and I can only imagine that you either know that deep down, or you know absolutely nothing about WW2. I think it's the former. I think you're making dubious comparisons for some sort of effect. Maybe understandable / inevitable given the way this thread has gone but... Come on. Please.

Bye Godwin.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Attempting to equate ISIS to WW2 era Nazi Germany is an absolute shambles of an argument and I can only imagine that you either know that deep down, or you know absolutely nothing about WW2. I think it's the former. I think you're making dubious comparisons for some sort of effect. Maybe understandable / inevitable given the way this thread has gone but... Come on. Please.

Bye Godwin.

totally agree...The only real similarity is their doctrine is pure evil

the Nazis were reposnible for at least 80 million deaths ......they had the most powerful most sophisticated most organized army the world has ever seen , with all the best weapons and the scientists behind it along with a leader who was the devil himself. They simply destroyed country after country, burning them and their people down to the ground...their hate was for pretty everyone other than the aryan race. Blighty alone was hammered by 1000 Luftwaffe bomber raids a night? This rabble are a bunch of circus travelling nomads compared to the Nazis. Thankfully they have infinitely less power, organization, ingenious minds and weapons, but in their own way they are just as evil.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

People who argue against bombing as it will have such a bad effect on the Syrian people, when millions have fled the terror in Syria

Hitlers Germany killed millions of Jews during the second world war and tried to take over Europe. ISIS are doing a very similar thing at the moment.

Should we have buried our head in the sand during WW2 too? After all, the innocent German people suffered from our bombing.

Hang on weren't these people cockroaches a few weeks ago?...

You're going off on a tangent now, the two eras are not comparable.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

People who argue against bombing as it will have such a bad effect on the Syrian people, when millions have fled the terror in Syria

Hitlers Germany killed millions of Jews during the second world war and tried to take over Europe. ISIS are doing a very similar thing at the moment.

Should we have buried our head in the sand during WW2 too? After all, the innocent German people suffered from our bombing.

Bit of a silly and reaching comparison there. Germany, at the time, were one of the leading powers in Europe which meant that it was one of the biggest powers in the world.

IS do not have the resources or the manpower to be anywhere near the same level threat as WW2 Germany. They have no allies and no influence beyond the area they control and there's no chance of them ever being able to launch an offensive attack or invasion on western soil beyond their rudimentary terror attacks. Everything else is grandstanding on their part which is why they take responsibility for every and any terror attack going, it makes them seem more threatening than they actually are.

I imagine that IS will fall quickly once the situation elevates beyond air strikes and into a full blown invasion of Syria.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Hang on weren't these people cockroaches a few weeks ago?...

You're going off on a tangent now, the two eras are not comparable.

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Bit of a silly and reaching comparison there. Germany, at the time, were one of the leading powers in Europe which meant that it was one of the biggest powers in the world.

IS do not have the resources or the manpower to be anywhere near the same level threat as WW2 Germany. They have no allies and no influence beyond the area they control and there's no chance of them ever being able to launch an offensive attack or invasion on western soil beyond their rudimentary terror attacks. Everything else is grandstanding on their part which is why they take responsibility for every and any terror attack going, it makes them seem more threatening than they actually are.

I imagine that IS will fall quickly once the situation elevates beyond air strikes and into a full blown invasion of Syria.

I disagree, if ISIS are left to expand unchecked, and they will as that is their stated aim, it will be exactly the same as we faced with Germany. How many countries are ISIS allowed to invade before our Poland is reached?

As to resources. ISIS have huge resources, and the more they are allowed to expand, the greater their resources will become. Thats why they expand.

Their stated aim is to take over the world, do people believe its a little joke they are having or a serious threat?

I will use the term bury head in sand again, there seems to be a lot of it going on in this thread.

[James]

I've deleted some posts. Stick to the topic instead of discussing each other.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by James

I've deleted some posts. Stick to the topic instead of discussing each other.

I can't see the situation improving to be honest. Think I'll opt out and let the thread return to back-slapping, fist pumping and the verbal fellating of the armed forces.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

I can't see the situation improving to be honest. Think I'll opt out and let the thread return to back-slapping, fist pumping and the verbal fellating of the armed forces.

I've already done that,it just gets worse and more intolerant. Said all I had to anyway even if it did get shouted down by those who see those appearing against as terrorist sympathisers.
They even get claps for it.