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Old 18-05-2016, 03:25 PM #101
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If they do Celeb vs Civilian Format then i won't be watching it because the show is focusing on celebrities and C5 are obsessed with celebrities that they have two CBBs a year and they are thinking about turning Civilian into another CBB. CBB is a spin off show and shouldn't be made into a main show. I rather them keep the civilian and celebrities separate which was the whole point in having Big Brother and Celebrity Big Brother. So give me USA/Australia/Canada format if it means keeping Civilian as it is.
This. This twist would deviate so much further from the format than the BBUS one does. I can't believe people are genuinely saying they'd effectively raather have 3 CBBs a year
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Because I genuinely think I prefer the US format, and want to see it in the UK. I don't even watch BBUS.
So how can you prefer a format you don't watch?
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This. This twist would deviate so much further from the format than the BBUS one does. I can't believe people are genuinely saying they'd effectively raather have 3 CBBs a year
Tbh, the lines have been blurred for years.

Having people like Helen Wood in civilian BB whilst people like George Gilbey have been on CBB. They haven't known the difference between a CBB and BB contestant for a long time.
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BBUS I guess but neither really

I don't think BBUS would work too well here but I hate the thought of celebs
Yeah, I don't think it would at all. I think they'd just be killing the show off once and for all.

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This. This twist would deviate so much further from the format than the BBUS one does. I can't believe people are genuinely saying they'd effectively raather have 3 CBBs a year
How? the format would be exactly the same, just with BB and CBB combined. That's why people are voting for it over the US format which is a complete change.
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I don't think BBUS-style would be successful in the UK though, our producers aren't creative enough like BBCAN and would find a way to **** it up like they do currently anyway

The show has to change but the BBUS format is not the way forward imo
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Yeah, CBB and civilian being merged wouldn't change the format, unless nominations/evictions change.
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So how can you prefer a format you don't watch?
Because I watch BBCAN which follows BBUS's format.

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Tbh, the lines have been blurred for years.

Having people like Helen Wood in civilian BB whilst people like George Gilbey have been on CBB. They haven't known the difference between a CBB and BB contestant for a long time.
But Helen is still a normal person, whereas George Gilbey spent prolonged time on a TV show. And 'celebrity' is a subjective word anyway, but there are definitely a difference in BB and CBB HMs, even if there is the occasional crossover, like Zoe Birkett being more famous than Jeremy CBB17.

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How? the format would be exactly the same, just with BB and CBB combined. That's why people are voting for it over the US format which is a complete change.
Because the original format of BB is to put a bunch of normal people in a house.
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Because the original format of BB is to put a bunch of normal people in a house.
The BBUK format is housemates nominating and the public deciding who goes. Whether the people involved are civilians or celebrities doesn't change that.
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Because the original format of BB is to put a bunch of normal people in a house.
The original format of BB is also to have all the housemates nominate and the public evict. People can't really campaign for the radically-altered BBUS format and then also be against something else simply because it's against the original format.

BBUK has gotten so bad because they feel the need to keep changing it up. Changing it even more won't save the show, it will kill it. They need to get back to what Big Brother used to be underneath the all the twists.

I enjoy BBUS and BBCAN but as I said earlier, I see them as a separate game entirely that happens to use the Big Brother title.

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Yeah, I don't think it would at all. I think they'd just be killing the show off once and for all.
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That's already been done
Well it's still on the air so no it hasn't. My point is that a change as radical as this will see it end again imo (and I don't see it coming back for a third go around).
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Because I watch BBCAN which follows BBUS's format.
So why would you want to watch two shows (BBCAN and BBUK) that have the same format? Is the differences not what makes them both appealing?

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But Helen is still a normal person, whereas George Gilbey spent prolonged time on a TV show. And 'celebrity' is a subjective word anyway, but there are definitely a difference in BB and CBB HMs, even if there is the occasional crossover, like Zoe Birkett being more famous than Jeremy CBB17.
Yes, Helen's a normal person. My point was that people "famous" for sleeping with actual celebrities are normally contenders for CBB yet they put her front and centre of the civilian show so it's not unheard of before now.
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The original format of BB is also to have all the housemates nominate and the public evict. People can't really campaign for the radically-altered BBUS format and then also be against something else simply because it's against the original format.
The baseline premise of BB is to put a bunch of people in a house, hence why multiple formats exist.

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So why would you want to watch two shows (BBCAN and BBUK) that have the same format? Is the differences not what makes them both appealing?
Because I prefer it. Isn't that obvious? I watch The Apprentice UK and The Apprentice US and they have the same format. Your point is irrelevant, because I like what I like.
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The baseline premise of BB is to put a bunch of people in a house, hence why multiple formats exist.
Plenty of reality shows have people put in a house, there's more to the format that distinguishes it as Big Brother than that. You used the word "original", well the original format is exactly as I described.

I will say that BBUS and BBCAN's retaining the 24/7 live feed is more in-keeping with the heart of the Big Brother format than our measly attempt nowadays though.

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Well it's still on the air so no it hasn't. My point is that a change as radical as this will see it end again imo (and I don't see it coming back for a third go around).
Yes it's still on air but the show is still dead because it's gone against what the whole show is about. It's not big brother anymore it's a C5 version of the only way is essex and a sparkle of Geordie Shore and some bits of Made in Chelsea. Civilian BB is no more since they are turning it into Celebrity Big Brother and then we will have another CBB straight afterwards.

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Plenty of reality shows have people put in a house, there's more to the format that distinguishes it as Big Brother than that.
This is just pedantry and isn't even relevant to what we're saying...

FS what am I doing with my life arguing over BB.
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Yes it's still on air but the show is still dead because it's gone against what the whole show is about. It's not big brother anymore it's a C5 version of the only way is essex and a sparkle of Geordie Shore and some bits of Made in Chelsea. Civilian BB is no more since they are turning it into Celebrity Big Brother and then we will have another CBB straight afterwards.

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Yes, but my whole point is that to remedy this, they should take it back to what it used to be. How would completely changing the entire format of the show be doing anything other than turning BBUK into a shadow of it's former self even more than it already is?
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Yes, but my whole point is that to remedy this, they should take it back to what it used to be. How would completely changing the entire format of the show be doing anything other than turning BBUK into a shadow of it's former self even more than it already is?
plus the fact adopting the US format isn't going to stop them getting the usual z listers involved
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I'd like to expand on why I'd prefer the US format over civilians vs celebrities.

Firstly, I don't buy the "we already have this - so why don't you watch that instead?" argument. If Endemol themselves had used the argument of "we have Big Brother in the Netherlands - why don't you just watch that instead?", the format would never have expanded across the world in the first place.

Secondly, I think it's safe to say that anything left of the BBUK format is probably dead in the water in this point, hence why they want to make a radical change this series to make it seem like a new show.

That leads me on to my next point - these changes need to have longevity in mind. Be honest, does mixing celebrities and civilians sound like an idea that could be repeated again? If anything, it's a change that only has a quick boost in the ratings in mind and not the long term future on the show. It would probably also help bring the show one step closer to it's eventual axe and replacement with a longer Celebrity Big Brother.

Switching to the US format on the other hand seems to me like a bold move that does have longevity in mind, as it's an actual change rather than a twist in which the novelty will wear off around 2 weeks in. Let's not forget that the whole reason why the US format was created in the first place - the ratings were abysmal and Endemol/CBS needed to make a change in order to stay on the air (aka - the situation Big Brother UK is in right now). The US format is thriving in America and in Canada, with a similar format running successfully in Brazil, so it's not like it's dying in every market that it launches in.

The basic format of strangers living in a house together being watched by the public with evictions taking place would still be there, it's just the events up to and during the eviction that would be different. Regarding the phone vote, I don't think that Channel 5 is even making that much money of that anyway, but a good way of replacing that would be a Live Feed on the website that could be offered for free with product placement and advertising opportunities split between a profit and covering the cost or on a paid subscription basis that would do the same.

The production team can still cast the same characters that we get and we can still have the nightly highlights show - it's only the game format that's changing. No-one is saying that the editing style should change either (well, other than the already existing changes that need to take place) - the producers can still use the same story-arc that focuses on the housemates interactions rather than the gametalk (which isn't as common as some might think).

Don't get me wrong, there are other options that I'd prefer to see (I've said a lot that I'd prefer that they use the BBAU 5 points/superpower system and offer both VTE and VTS), but switching to the US format wouldn't be anywhere near as bad as some are making it out to be . The ratings were already abysmal last summer with it falling under the 1 million mark on some nights, so Channel 5 haven't really got much to lose at this point.
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FS what am I doing with my life arguing over BB.
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I'd like to expand on why I'd prefer the US format over civilians vs celebrities.

Firstly, I don't buy the "we already have this - so why don't you watch that instead?" argument. If Endemol themselves had used the argument of "we have Big Brother in the Netherlands - why don't you just watch that instead?", the format would never have expanded across the world in the first place.
That's not really a valid argument considering we can all only watch the shows that air in our own country.

People who watch other versions do so illegally.
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Yes, but my whole point is that to remedy this, they should take it back to what it used to be. How would completely changing the entire format of the show be doing anything other than turning BBUK into a shadow of it's former self even more than it already is?
Because the UK format is terrible and it gets terrible each year. It's never going to go back to what it was so a change of format won't hurt a dead end show. It's going to get axed either way because people are so bored of this crap. The uk format is beyond repairing. I prefer the that format too because the public have no power so they can't discriminate/be prejudice.
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That's not really a valid argument considering we can all only watch the shows that air in our own country.

People who watch other versions do so illegally.
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