[the truth]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Its worth remembering though that the government and the BMA did agree a contract after the government made further concessions following two years of conflict. We should all have breathed a sigh of relief at that and been thankful that the situation was eventually resolved through negotiations.

Unfortunately there is an element amongst the BMA who utterly refuse to compromise and have hijacked the whole thing. No way are these 5 day strikes a proportionate response, no way. I know the default response on things like this is often 'support the doctors' and '**** the Tories' but these strikes are a disgrace and there is not evidence of enough support for it even amongst the junior doctors themselves.

the bosses there are pure scum and will be sued for billions when innocent people die because of their bully boy tactics

[joeysteele]

I give up here,I will wait and see the moans and groans when there are far fewer Junior Doctors, not only left in the NHS but less and less coming forward to be trained as same too.

Maybe then people will see the wrong of a govt,forcing the very people it should be keeping on board as to any planning for the NHS, to work on a contract those Doctors believe to be unfair and dangerous.

Some group is going to be proven correct if this contract is imposed,and my money would go on the Junior Doctors being so.

It will just be so sad that England will have lost a great many of those skilled and dedicated professionals because of the deliberate stubborn awkwardness of a dictatorial govt.

Of course, maybe the people who are against the Junior Doctors on this, will then get what they possibly want, a fully privatised Health service.

Good luck to all with that one.

Thank all powers that be for Scotland and Wales who would never impose such a contract on their Doctors.
Preferring to work with the Junior Doctors and other NHS staff, rather than dictate to them.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I give up here,I will wait and see the moans and groans when there are far fewer Junior Doctors, not only left in the NHS but less and less coming forward to be trained as same too.

Maybe then people will see the wrong of a govt,forcing the very people it should be keeping on board as to any planning for the NHS, to work on a contract those Doctors believe to be unfair and dangerous.

Some group is going to be proven correct if this contract is imposed, and my money would go on the Junior Doctors being so.

You still have such optimism Joey! They will of course be proven correct to those of us who can already see it; those who can't still won't see the wrongdoing of the government, still won't think it's their fault... they'll still blame those within the NHS itself, and the doctors.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You still have such optimism Joey! They will of course be proven correct to those of us who can already see it; those who can't still won't see the wrongdoing of the government, still won't think it's their fault... they'll still blame those within the NHS itself, and the doctors.

I know TS. Blindly supporting a bad govt decision is not for me, even if it was my party in govt,
If Labour were doing this contract, I would be slamming them left, right and centre on here too.

Anyway I stay solid with my support for the Junior Doctors.

They are the people I would gladly trust with my life, not this pathetic govt who have brought disillusionment, confusion and massive concern in the NHS from 2011 onwards.
First with the top down re-organisation that was promised never to be going to happen.
Also now this dangerous contract which has brought Doctors to the last resort of striking, for the first time since the mid 70s for goodness sake.

[the truth]

Blsm3 the new labour idiots too for the insane 2004 gp contract which must be destroyed

[bots]

the strikes due from the 12th -16th have been called off .... whew

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the strikes due from the 12th -16th have been called off .... whew

Great news but I hope now the govt will make the right move and stop being so confrontational.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Great news but I hope now the govt will make the right move and stop being so confrontational.

Glad the doctors realise their own immorality
. Time doctors in Wales and Scotland strike about working 91 hours. Funny they don't? Oh yes because they get double time. It's ALL about the money.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the strikes due from the 12th -16th have been called off .... whew

Wonder if the fact that the GMC were not happy about it had anything to do with the decision?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Wonder if the fact that the GMC were not happy about it had anything to do with the decision?

I think all groups not just the GMC have been behind this move.

The Junior Doctors do not want to strike,many of them themselves have indicated they think this strike was too much too soon.
Many other sections have said it would cause really big problems.

So that has been listened to, and this first set of strikes are now called off,
thankfully.

Sadly from his rhetoric still, it seems from Hunt all they will get is more ignorance and more kicking them in the teeth.
At least those involved in this strike action have listened,unlike this govt. and Hunt.

Even now, although it will never and cannot happen but even now, if Hunt ad the govt. asked parliament to vote on the imposing of this contract and all MPs had a free vote,a really strong number of Conservative MPs would also even vote against it being imposed.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think all groups not just the GMC have been behind this move.

The Junior Doctors do not want to strike,many of them themselves have indicated they think this strike was too much too soon.
Many other sections have said it would cause really big problems.

So that has been listened to, and this first set of strikes are now called off,
thankfully.

Sadly from his rhetoric still, it seems from Hunt all they will get is more ignorance and more kicking them in the teeth.
At least those involved in this strike action have listened,unlike this govt. and Hunt.

Even now, although it will never and cannot happen but even now, if Hunt ad the govt. asked parliament to vote on the imposing of this contract and all MPs had a free vote,a really strong number of Conservative MPs would also even vote against it being imposed.

the government have moved loads of times, the bms hasnt budged one inch since the start

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

the government have moved loads of times, the bms hasnt budged one inch since the start

Not enough, they have moved on minor issues but not on major points and this contract will in the end prove dangerous.

Remove the threat of imposing it and then they may actually get somewhere, 'if' they decide to work with the people they need in the NHS, rather than confront and dictate to them and ignoring what near everyone else says about this contract.

[smudgie]

What next for the junior doctors.
They lost their case against Hunt in court, the five days strikes seem to be on hold now.
Perhaps a work to rule might be the way forward for them