[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

If it walks like a duck....

Overusing a word to shut people up does more harm than good and waters down the true meaning of the word. Neither does it reflect well on those that use it as ammunition.

Walking like a duck works both ways.

[smudgie]

If there was a fair democratic referendum then I don't see a problem.
Different if they were declaring war or violence.
Why would you want to live where you are not wanted, plenty of other places to welcome you with open arms.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Overusing a word to shut people up does more harm than good and waters down the true meaning of the word. Neither does it reflect well on those that use it as ammunition.

Lefty
Leftist
Lefty Liberal
PC Crowd
PC Gone Mad
...
Snowflake

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Lefty
Leftist
Lefty Liberal
PC Crowd
PC Gone Mad
...
Snowflake

These are words/expressions that in my experience have been used in RESPONSE to being called names such as racist. If people give it out they have to expect it back.

Those throwing the racist word around started it so are not really in a position to object to a bit of tit for tat.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

These are words/expressions that in my experience have been used in RESPONSE to being called names such as racist. If people give it out they have to expect it back.

Those throwing the racist word around started it so are not really in a position to object to a bit of tit for tat.

Bull****, snowflake started being used here as soon as it became a popular media buzz-term, not in response to anything.

Also the second part is amusing me. I think you'll find that in general, people handle these terms (Lefty, snowflake) with barely a comment. They get a bit boring in their overuse, but it's mostly water off a ducks back.

Ironically... It's the "more righty un-PC right to my opinion" crowd that start launching their toys out of the pram as soon as anyone dares "call them a name" like racist/xenophobe/bigot . Can't handle anyone invading their snowflakey safe-space I guess

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Bull****, snowflake started being used here as soon as it became a popular media buzz-term, not in response to anything.

Also the second part is amusing me. I think you'll find that in general, people handle these terms (Lefty, snowflake) with barely a comment. They get a bit boring in their overuse, but it's mostly water off a ducks back.

Ironically... It's the "more righty un-PC right to my opinion" crowd that start launching their toys out of the pram as soon as anyone dares "call them a name" like racist/xenophobe/bigot . Can't handle anyone invading their snowflakey safe-space I guess

Personally I had never even heard the 'snowflake' word until recently on here. But I have heard the word 'racist' on endless occasions

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Racism is the word of the day with some. It can shut down discussion and is constantly used by those trying to do just that.

It is also inflammatory and baiting behaviour and should be recognised as so by those dictating acceptable and non-acceptable behaviour in any such discussions.

If your argument can be shut down by a single word, you probably didnt have much of an argument.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

These are words/expressions that in my experience have been used in RESPONSE to being called names such as racist. If people give it out they have to expect it back.

Those throwing the racist word around started it so are not really in a position to object to a bit of tit for tat.

Calling someone a racist is fair if they share views that can be considered racist. If you get accused of racism then it's down to you to defend yourself. Being called a racist is an accusation, not a way of shutting someone down.

Which isn't the case with the phrases TS have listed which you have used freely to try to shut down anyone who thinks differently to you. Not to mention the fact that in other threads you have basically denounced anyone of a left leaning persuasion as naive. THAT is shutting someone's opinion down and you are guilty of it more than any left leaning member I've seen on this site. You are happy enough to throw out insults at the left meant to shut down their opinion.

Your constant hypocrisy is ASTOUNDING.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Calling someone a racist is fair if they share views that can be considered racist. If you get accused of racism then it's down to you to defend yourself. Being called a racist is an accusation, not a way of shutting someone down.

Which isn't the case with the phrases TS have listed which you have used freely to try to shut down anyone who thinks differently to you. Not to mention the fact that in other threads you have basically denounced anyone of a left leaning persuasion as naive. THAT is shutting someone's opinion down and you are guilty of it more than any left leaning member I've seen on this site. You are happy enough to throw out insults at the left meant to shut down their opinion.

Your constant hypocrisy is ASTOUNDING.

Accusing someone of being racist does not make every such allegation a fact. It is also based on perception and interpretation as well as intent as many do use it to shut down opinion.

Your constant hypocrisy is astounding to many.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The BBC pulled an advert for the Wales England game as people complained it was racist

It was Welsh people struggling to think of any good things to say about the English


Lots of people have no idea what racism is

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Accusing someone of being racist does not make every such allegation a fact. It is also based on perception and interpretation as well as intent as many do use it to shut down opinion.

Your constant hypocrisy is astounding to many.

If you wanted an example of your hypocrisy, then here is is. You have already agreed that it is okay to question people when you believe they are being sexist, and those that defend sexist attitudes.. by that logic alone, the same should apply for interpretations of racism/homophobia/xenophobia etc.

Originally Posted by Brillopad

There is nothing irrational about questioning sexist male attitudes and men that defend such attitudes.
.

I'd suggest that if a persons argument can be shut down by being called sexist, they probably either were being sexist, or they didnt have much of an argument to begin with.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Overusing a word to shut people up does more harm than good and waters down the true meaning of the word. Neither does it reflect well on those that use it as ammunition.

Walking like a duck works both ways.

Then stop mocking left wing people at every opportunity.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Accusing someone of being racist does not make every such allegation a fact. It is also based on perception and interpretation as well as intent as many do use it to shut down opinion.

Your constant hypocrisy is astounding to many.

Where did I say calling someone racist makes it a fact? Also, it's not meant to shut an opinion down, like Withano said, if you feel that then your opinion must be pretty weak in the first place. If someone accused me of racism then I'd take it as an opportunity to completely dismantle their argument because it would be a silly accusation. I wouldn't break down and cry about it, I'd defend myself. The same can't be said for you constantly attacking the left wing for not being right wing.

Also repeating my last line at me makes you look silly since it really doesn't apply.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Racism is the word of the day with some. It can shut down discussion and is constantly used by those trying to do just that.

It is also inflammatory and baiting behaviour and should be recognised as so by those dictating acceptable and non-acceptable behaviour in any such discussions.

Whatever happened to free speech?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Whatever happened to free speech?

Free Speech is only a thing when it benefits certain people, Kizzy. You should know that by now

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The BBC pulled an advert for the Wales England game as people complained it was racist

It was Welsh people struggling to think of any good things to say about the English


Lots of people have no idea what racism is

Language evolves and being pedantic about exact definitions is just another petty way of shutting an argument down, e.g "I'm not racist, Islam is not a race". It's a strawman. In my actual opinion, to be fair, at this point there should be an equivalent term to "antisemitism" for Muslims, but I don't think certain people would be very comfortable with that. They wouldn't be able to dodge the comment by saying "I'm not a... " any more.

I try on occasion to use xenophobia in place of racism when it comes to anti-cultural statements but I struggle a little because a phobia is an irrational fear, and most of the bile I see being sloshed around has absolutely Jack **** to do with fear of any kind.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Language evolves and being pedantic about exact definitions is just another petty way of shutting an argument down, e.g "I'm not racist, Islam is not a race". It's a strawman. In my actual opinion, to be fair, at this point there should be an equivalent term to "antisemitism" for Muslims, but I don't think certain people would be very comfortable with that. They wouldn't be able to dodge the comment by saying "I'm not a... " any more.

I try on occasion to use xenophobia in place of racism when it comes to anti-cultural statements but I struggle a little because a phobia is an irrational fear, and most of the bile I see being sloshed around has absolutely Jack **** to do with fear of any kind.

Wasn't 'Islamophobic' a thing? But it's socially acceptable for people to be Islamophobic now...cos terrorism.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Whatever happened to free speech?

I don't exactly disagree with that but it has to work both ways.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Where did I say calling someone racist makes it a fact? Also, it's not meant to shut an opinion down, like Withano said, if you feel that then your opinion must be pretty weak in the first place. If someone accused me of racism then I'd take it as an opportunity to completely dismantle their argument because it would be a silly accusation. I wouldn't break down and cry about it, I'd defend myself. The same can't be said for you constantly attacking the left wing for not being right wing.

Also repeating my last line at me makes you look silly since it really doesn't apply.

I don't 'cry' about it, I am generally pretty thick skinned, that is just your words/interpretation. Could that be yet another attempt to dismiss/undermine my opinions?

My objection is that some people spout this allegation at just about any criticism of Muslims, strongly suggesting it to be an attempt to shut down any argument. I am hardly the only person to say this.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I don't exactly disagree with that but it has to work both ways.

But you make no sense, the demand is for it be acceptable to make racist comments freely before you will accept someones right to expose it as racist?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I don't 'cry' about it, I am generally pretty thick skinned, that is just your words/interpretation. Could that be yet another attempt to dismiss/undermine my opinions?

My objection is that some people spout this allegation at just about any criticism of Muslims, strongly suggesting it to be an attempt to shut down any argument. I am hardly the only person to say this.

Then why whine about it? If someone accuses you of something you aren't then that's basically a free opportunity to lay waste to that argument. If someone can't argue against being called a racist then that generally suggests that they know it's true.

Again, your lack of self awareness is rather hysterical, why are you complaining about this when you REGULARLY attempt to shut down the left? You can argue against someone calling you a racist but phrases like 'Loony Left' or suggesting that the Left are simply naive young people aren't accusations, they are meant to devalue someone's opinions that you disagree with.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Wasn't 'Islamophobic' a thing? But it's socially acceptable for people to be Islamophobic now...cos terrorism.

I don't know anyone that thinks its acceptable to be Islamaphobic. is this an oop North thing

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't know anyone that thinks its acceptable to be Islamaphobic. is this an oop North thing

No?... Oh well that's good then.

I'm going to make Yorkshirephobic a thing now

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Then why whine about it? If someone accuses you of something you aren't then that's basically a free opportunity to lay waste to that argument. If someone can't argue against being called a racist then that generally suggests that they know it's true.

Again, your lack of self awareness is rather hysterical, why are you complaining about this when you REGULARLY attempt to shut down the left? You can argue against someone calling you a racist but phrases like 'Loony Left' or suggesting that the Left are simply naive young people aren't accusations, they are meant to devalue someone's opinions that you disagree with.

As usual just about every allegation you direct at me can be directed back at you. Your opinion is not fact , just opinion. My self awareness is not the problem.

I give as good as I get so if you choose to see that as simply attempting to shut down the left then in my opinion that demonstrates a lack of self awareness on your part.

When I do make comments that could be interpreted as 'attempting to shut down opinion' then maybe thought should be given as to why? Don't whine about a bit of tit for tat. Give it , take it. I don' know how many times I have to say that.

[Kizzy]

When I do make comments that could be interpreted as 'attempting to shut down opinion'

'Originally Posted by Brillopad View Post
Very, very true. Young people are by nature sheep being herded into the right 'pen' by a more worldly-wise force.'

Following my reply your response was 'oh be quiet'