[James]

I made the last post on a page, and didn't get a response. I actually wondered what people thought about the example cases.

[bots]

Originally Posted by James

I made the last post on a page, and didn't get a response. I actually wondered what people thought about the example cases.

its a very dry topic in reality . I said in an earlier thread that we are still subject to UK law, which in the majority of cases is equal to or more protective of our rights than we receive from europe. Those laws still need to go through parliament to change them.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by James

I made the last post on a page, and didn't get a response. I actually wondered what people thought about the example cases.

I think that human rights is a great thing, until it wonders over to the ridiculous side.
I do think that our own government should be allowed to revisit some of the human right laws if it protects its citizens...all of its citizens.

[bots]

lets be clear on some things. You can't deport a UK passport holder. Its not possible. You can only deport to the country that they hold a passport for. If they have no passport, you can't deport them without proving their country of origin.

May has identified what she wants to do, she wants to extend the sentences associated with terror crimes .... very specific, and she wants to deport people faster when it is legally possible to do so. She also wants control orders in place to restrict the movements of people when they have known terrorist affiliations.

These are all highly targeted measures

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

lets be clear on some things. You can't deport a UK passport holder. Its not possible. You can only deport to the country that they hold a passport for. If they have no passport, you can't deport them, you have to prove their country of origin.

May has identified what she wants to do, she wants to extend the sentences associated with terror crimes .... very specific, and she wants to deport people faster when it is legally possible to do so. She also wants control orders in place to restrict the movements of people when they have known terrorist affiliations.

These are all highly targeted measures

Laws can be changed. Citizenship can be rescinded/revoked. . Nothing is written in stone.

If for instance you go to fight for another country against the country of your birth then you should no longer be considered a citizen of the country of your birth. You have forfeited that right by such actions.

Such people should be deported to the country they went to fight for. Crystal clear.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Laws can be changed. Citizenship can be rescinded/revoked. . Nothing is written in stone.

If for instance you go to fight for another country against the country of your birth then you should no longer be considered a citizen of the country of your birth. You have forfeited that right by such actions.

Such people should be deported to the country they went to fight for. Crystal clear.

In order to deport someone, you have to have the agreement of the country you are deporting too, the rules are not something that any individual country can change because they need the others agreement.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

In order to deport someone, you have to have the agreement of the country you are deporting too, the rules are not something that any individual country can change because they need the others agreement.

This is the part people seem to be most confused about; that you can just "send someone" to a country that they do not have citizenship of! "Send them to Syria, their problem."

It's just GB Empire arrogance at play. "Well by jove we'll just send them where we want and if those countries don't like it we have Trident what what."

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

In order to deport someone, you have to have the agreement of the country you are deporting too, the rules are not something that any individual country can change because they need the others agreement.

Surely children born in another country of parents from overseas should have dual citizenship - it should be a condition when people emigrate. The citizenship should be made up of place of birth of the child and homeland/nationality of the parents and the biological and cultural roots/history involved.

So if said child commits heinous crimes in the country of their birth they can be deported back to their parents/grandparents homeland where their biological and cultural roots lie, not to mention their obvious religous and emotional ties. If they have dual citizenship the other country involved cannot refuse to take them back.

That way it places some accountability and responsibility onto the parents and the child to respect and value the country that has taken them in and to realise there are potential consequences for severe abuse of their citizenship.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Surely children born in another country of parents from overseas should have dual citizenship - it should be a condition when people emigrate. The citizenship should be made up of place of birth of the child and homeland/nationality of the parents and the biological and cultural roots/history involved.

So if said child commits heinous crimes in the country of their birth they can be deported back to their parents/grandparents homeland where their biological and cultural roots lie, not to mention their obvious religous and emotional ties. If they have dual citizenship the other country involved cannot refuse to take them back.

That way it places some accountability and responsibility onto the parents and the child to respect and value the country that has taken them in and to realise there are potential consequences for severe abuse of their citizenship.

And how many generations would you suggest this should last? Does it only apply to middle-eastern people or to everyone? Could I be deported to Ireland because I have a great-grandparent on my father's side who was from Ireland? Could I be deported to a Scandinavian country because, somewhere way down the line, I have a little bit of Viking blood?

[user104658]

By the way,

they can be deported back to their parents/grandparents homeland where their biological and cultural roots lie

ARE you aware how close you are edging towards white supremacist rhetoric?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

By the way,



ARE you aware how close you are edging towards white supremacist rhetoric?

Only in your super sensitive PC mind.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Only in your super sensitive PC mind.

Personal insults, play nice.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

By the way,



ARE you aware how close you are edging towards white supremacist rhetoric?

Only in your super sensitive PC mind. That's just a 'polite' way of trying to shut me down again with 'racist' allegations.

I am just trying to demonstrate that these terrorists have both physical and emotional ties to their parents homeland - that is blatantly obvious by their actions, and it wouldn't be like deporting them to somewhere where they had no links or sense of belonging. Not they would even deserve that consideration.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Only in your super sensitive PC mind. That's just a 'polite' way of trying to shut me down again with 'racist' allegations.

I am just trying to demonstrate that these terrorists have both physical and emotional ties to their parents homeland - that is blatantly obvious by their actions, and it wouldn't be like deporting them to somewhere where they had no links or sense of belonging. Not they would even deserve that consideration.

When you put someone on a plane out of this country, you need to have agreement of the receiving country else they will be refused entry to the destination country and sent straight back.

I could say I had an affinity with Australia ... you must therefore let me in .... not going to happen

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

When you put someone on a plane out of this country, you need to have agreement of the receiving country else they will be refused entry to the destination country and sent straight back.

I could say I had an affinity with Australia ... you must therefore let me in .... not going to happen

If dual citizenship was a condition of migration - the other country could not refuse to take them surely.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

If dual citizenship was a condition of migration - the other country could not refuse to take them surely.

Brillo's solution to Britain's terror problems: "Change the entire world and international law to suit Britain!!"

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Only in your super sensitive PC mind. That's just a 'polite' way of trying to shut me down again with 'racist' allegations.

I am just trying to demonstrate that these terrorists have both physical and emotional ties to their parents homeland - that is blatantly obvious by their actions, and it wouldn't be like deporting them to somewhere where they had no links or sense of belonging. Not they would even deserve that consideration.

It's quite simple if they are British,lock them up.

[Kazanne]

Well as Piers Morgan was saying yesterday,we can ban football hooligans from travelling abroad and ban them from places etc,so why cant the same be done for these murdering scumbags?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well as Piers Morgan was saying yesterday,we can ban football hooligans from travelling abroad and ban them from places etc,so why cant the same be done for these murdering scumbags?

We can't deport them to the homelands of their ancestors, as far as I'm aware .

[Vanessa]

All suspected terrorists should e deported before they strike. They shouldn't be allowed to stay if they have extremist views.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well as Piers Morgan was saying yesterday,we can ban football hooligans from travelling abroad and ban them from places etc,so why cant the same be done for these murdering scumbags?

that would be achieved via control orders, restricting their movement.

[user104658]

What you're suggesting is logistically impossible / is never going to happen, Brillo... whether you think it's the best idea in the world or not, it's complete fantasy. It's up there with "We could build a prison colony on Mars and send them all there!". I feel like you probably need to let it go.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

What you're suggesting is logistically impossible / is never going to happen, Brillo... whether you think it's the best idea in the world or not, it's complete fantasy. It's up there with "We could build a prison colony on Mars and send them all there!". I feel like you probably need to let it go.

Hardly - how can you compare dual citizenship with a prison colony on Mars. Dual citizenship is something that already exists, and there is no reason why it could not apply to migrants as well. The other is Star Trek.

[Tom4784]

Brillo going back to her 'if you don't agree with me you're basically a terrorist sympathiser' schtick when her silly suggestions about essentially bringing back exile (and taking the very North Korean approach of punishing multiple generations in the process) is shot down because it's not realistic, possible or even a good idea? I'm shocked.

People with a British passport or citizenship are our responsibility to bring to justice, the idea of desperately looking for an excuse to hand people over to other countries is laughable and wrong. The level of extremism from certain right wing members in this section is getting rather worrisome.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Brillo going back to her 'if you don't agree with me you're basically a terrorist sympathiser' schtick when her silly suggestions about essentially bringing back exile (and taking the very North Korean approach of punishing multiple generations in the process) is shot down because it's not realistic, possible or even a good idea? I'm shocked.

People with a British passport or citizenship are our responsibility to bring to justice, the idea of desperately looking for an excuse to hand people over to other countries is laughable and wrong. The level of extremism from certain right wing members in this section is getting rather worrisome.

My posts do not justify attempting to call me a right-ring extremist. That is ridiculous.

People have talked of the possibility of deportation of TERRORISTS (seems necessarry to highlight that word) for some time now including the government. I was suggesting a viable way that maybe that could be achieved. I know you will never agree with it that but don't you dare try to use this to call me a right-ring extremist.

And btw I never suggested you were a terrorist sympathiser, you took it that way to suit. So you think I have implied that so you get your revenge by calling me a right-wing extremist. I have never committed a terrorist attack in my life thank you - and you talk of boundaries.

And no need for the 'her' - if you want to make such comments then have the decency to address me personally rather than say 'Brillo, going back to her....'. Weak, putting it mildly.