[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

That was meant to be hurt bloody autocorrect

I assumed that

I would still be ****ed though. lol

Unless I would be OK as I am not a Muslim I guess...

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I assumed that

I would still be ****ed though. lol

Unless I would be OK as I am not a Muslim I guess...

Well obviously they would have to prove it was more then your mind wondering which they do by checking your phone and computer

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I assumed that

I would still be ****ed though. lol

Unless I would be OK as I am not a Muslim I guess...

White Widow 2.0 though.

[JoshBB]

right-wing: muslims oppose british human rights! disgusting
right-wing: let's rip up british human rights

[Withano]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

right-wing: muslims oppose british human rights! disgusting
right-wing: let's rip up british human rights

this ismy favourite thread

[James]

I made the last post on a page, and didn't get a response. I actually wondered what people thought about the example cases.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by James

I made the last post on a page, and didn't get a response. I actually wondered what people thought about the example cases.

its a very dry topic in reality . I said in an earlier thread that we are still subject to UK law, which in the majority of cases is equal to or more protective of our rights than we receive from europe. Those laws still need to go through parliament to change them.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by James

I made the last post on a page, and didn't get a response. I actually wondered what people thought about the example cases.

I think that human rights is a great thing, until it wonders over to the ridiculous side.
I do think that our own government should be allowed to revisit some of the human right laws if it protects its citizens...all of its citizens.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I just read this on another site, is this really what was said? Sorry have had ****ing paw patrol on the majority of the day so haven't actually seen Mays words about it, only whats been posted on here and a few reporters just saying scrapping human rights...



Deport 'suspected' terrorists.

And again, the question needs asked. where would those born here, or those who have lived the majority of their lives here be deported to?

I am fairly uneasy about the idea of punishing people 'suspected' of an offense tbh.

Isn't it obvious - where their allegencies lie and it clearly isn't with Britain. Home is where the heart is and the terrorists' hearts belong elsewhere.

They hate Britain and everything it represents so how can anyone believe Britain is their home. They don't want us and we don't want them.

[parmnion]

If you think adding 20 thousand police back onto the beat will protect your human rights more fool you.

[bitontheslide]

lets be clear on some things. You can't deport a UK passport holder. Its not possible. You can only deport to the country that they hold a passport for. If they have no passport, you can't deport them without proving their country of origin.

May has identified what she wants to do, she wants to extend the sentences associated with terror crimes .... very specific, and she wants to deport people faster when it is legally possible to do so. She also wants control orders in place to restrict the movements of people when they have known terrorist affiliations.

These are all highly targeted measures

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

lets be clear on some things. You can't deport a UK passport holder. Its not possible. You can only deport to the country that they hold a passport for. If they have no passport, you can't deport them, you have to prove their country of origin.

May has identified what she wants to do, she wants to extend the sentences associated with terror crimes .... very specific, and she wants to deport people faster when it is legally possible to do so. She also wants control orders in place to restrict the movements of people when they have known terrorist affiliations.

These are all highly targeted measures

Laws can be changed. Citizenship can be rescinded/revoked. . Nothing is written in stone.

If for instance you go to fight for another country against the country of your birth then you should no longer be considered a citizen of the country of your birth. You have forfeited that right by such actions.

Such people should be deported to the country they went to fight for. Crystal clear.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Laws can be changed. Citizenship can be rescinded/revoked. . Nothing is written in stone.

If for instance you go to fight for another country against the country of your birth then you should no longer be considered a citizen of the country of your birth. You have forfeited that right by such actions.

Such people should be deported to the country they went to fight for. Crystal clear.

In order to deport someone, you have to have the agreement of the country you are deporting too, the rules are not something that any individual country can change because they need the others agreement.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

In order to deport someone, you have to have the agreement of the country you are deporting too, the rules are not something that any individual country can change because they need the others agreement.

This is the part people seem to be most confused about; that you can just "send someone" to a country that they do not have citizenship of! "Send them to Syria, their problem."

It's just GB Empire arrogance at play. "Well by jove we'll just send them where we want and if those countries don't like it we have Trident what what."

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

In order to deport someone, you have to have the agreement of the country you are deporting too, the rules are not something that any individual country can change because they need the others agreement.

Surely children born in another country of parents from overseas should have dual citizenship - it should be a condition when people emigrate. The citizenship should be made up of place of birth of the child and homeland/nationality of the parents and the biological and cultural roots/history involved.

So if said child commits heinous crimes in the country of their birth they can be deported back to their parents/grandparents homeland where their biological and cultural roots lie, not to mention their obvious religous and emotional ties. If they have dual citizenship the other country involved cannot refuse to take them back.

That way it places some accountability and responsibility onto the parents and the child to respect and value the country that has taken them in and to realise there are potential consequences for severe abuse of their citizenship.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Surely children born in another country of parents from overseas should have dual citizenship - it should be a condition when people emigrate. The citizenship should be made up of place of birth of the child and homeland/nationality of the parents and the biological and cultural roots/history involved.

So if said child commits heinous crimes in the country of their birth they can be deported back to their parents/grandparents homeland where their biological and cultural roots lie, not to mention their obvious religous and emotional ties. If they have dual citizenship the other country involved cannot refuse to take them back.

That way it places some accountability and responsibility onto the parents and the child to respect and value the country that has taken them in and to realise there are potential consequences for severe abuse of their citizenship.

And how many generations would you suggest this should last? Does it only apply to middle-eastern people or to everyone? Could I be deported to Ireland because I have a great-grandparent on my father's side who was from Ireland? Could I be deported to a Scandinavian country because, somewhere way down the line, I have a little bit of Viking blood?

[Toy Soldier]

By the way,

they can be deported back to their parents/grandparents homeland where their biological and cultural roots lie

ARE you aware how close you are edging towards white supremacist rhetoric?

[Kazanne]

Well as Piers Morgan was saying yesterday,we can ban football hooligans from travelling abroad and ban them from places etc,so why cant the same be done for these murdering scumbags?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well as Piers Morgan was saying yesterday,we can ban football hooligans from travelling abroad and ban them from places etc,so why cant the same be done for these murdering scumbags?

We can't deport them to the homelands of their ancestors, as far as I'm aware .

[Vanessa]

All suspected terrorists should e deported before they strike. They shouldn't be allowed to stay if they have extremist views.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well as Piers Morgan was saying yesterday,we can ban football hooligans from travelling abroad and ban them from places etc,so why cant the same be done for these murdering scumbags?

that would be achieved via control orders, restricting their movement.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

And how many generations would you suggest this should last? Does it only apply to middle-eastern people or to everyone? Could I be deported to Ireland because I have a great-grandparent on my father's side who was from Ireland? Could I be deported to a Scandinavian country because, somewhere way down the line, I have a little bit of Viking blood?

Parents definitely and maybe grandparents too. It offers some protection for true British citizens. - those of us who do respect and value the country of our birth and don't go around murdering those with different views and don't incite the hate and murder of our fellow citizens.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

By the way,



ARE you aware how close you are edging towards white supremacist rhetoric?

Only in your super sensitive PC mind.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

All suspected terrorists should e deported before they strike. They shouldn't be allowed to stay if they have extremist views.

Deported to where if they were born here; and why would those countries want them.

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Parents definitely and maybe grandparents too. It offers some protection for true British citizens. - those of us who do respect and value the country of our birth and don't go around murdering those with different views and don't incite the hate and murder of our fellow citizens.

So I'm assuming you agree that all criminals who are British born, or have British born parents or grandparents, should be deported from other countries back to the UK?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Only in your super sensitive PC mind.

Personal insults, play nice.