[Jessica.]

I feel worse for animals every day.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Personal preference is fine.

Using that personal preference to say "I'm doing what's right!" is something else.

Tbh from my experience I've heard more non-vegetarians/vegans say that

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

More and more people are going veggie and its becoming less aline, the meat and dairy industry have had a sight decrease in profit, companies are now investing more into plant based alternative. I believe a difference is being made its just not gonna happen overnight.


Why are humans are entitled to enslave, abuse and slaughter other being? What gives us that right? Because we're smarter?

The way we get meat is not only unnatural its also heartless and immoral. People need to realise that when they choose to buy meat they're supporting the suffering that farm animals are put through and they're supporting the damage to the environment the meat and dairy industry is causing.

No because that's nature. The food chain.

Some of the methods might have changed but meat eating itself is perfectly natural.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Livia

You can always tell a vegetarian, Jess. They're the ones who can't get the lid off the pickle jar.

Put a lid on it Livia

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Put a lid on it Livia

As a meat eater, she's able to.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Theres not as much demand for meet and dairy because they're not having it as much as usual, if everybody in Britain decided to only eat meet once a day the meet industry would be shook. Its all about little changes that make a big difference.

I mean, sure. But that will effectively end the planet in a decade or less. Imagine how many hundred extra factories we'd need in Britain to make that processed pretend stuff.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Theres not as much demand for meet and dairy because they're not having it as much as usual, if everybody in Britain decided to only eat meet once a day the meet industry would be shook. Its all about little changes that make a big difference.

Meat, hunny, MEAT

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No because that's nature. The food chain.

Some of the methods might have changed but meat eating itself is perfectly natural.

So natural that the meat and dairy industry is one of the biggest causes of climate change, so natural that a lot of people who work in abattoirs are psychologically damaged?

Originally Posted by Withano

I mean, sure. But that will effectively end the planet in a decade or less. Imagine how many hundred extra factories we'd need in Britain to make that processed pretend stuff.

I can’t imagine that would do a better job at ending the planet than the meat and dairy industry.

Originally Posted by Smithy

Meat, hunny, MEAT

So vegan I can’t even bare to spell the word

[Withano]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

I can’t imagine that would do a better job at ending the planet than the meat and dairy industry.

65million people would need up to three factory-made meals a day, how does that sound better for the environment haha.

[Marsh.]

A lot of people who work in lots of places are psychologically damaged.

Usually it's to do with people doing jobs they're no good at. But you get that in most industries.

[Marsh.]

Yeah let's prevent climate change... By simply using the resources and energy elsewhere.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Withano

65million people would need up to three factory-made meals a day, how does that sound better for the environment haha.

It is possible to be vegetarian or vegan without only eating factory made meals lol. Vegetables? carbs? I barely ever eat processed food. Eating meat 3 times a day every day is a fairly recent thing you have to look no further than to when our grand parents were children most people had meat once day if that. they weren't swamped with quorn factories then I'm sure it would be possible to return to eating like that without causing that.

With the amount of fresh water needed to produce mean, the amount of land and the amount CO2 it produces, I believe it would be very hard to cause anywhere near as much damage let alone more .

[Jessica.]

You might think it's natural to eat meat because you were raised on that idea, but not everything that's natural is the right way. Also, we are able to rationalise doing less harm and being less cruel. None can be 100% cruelty free in this day and age, but at least we can make a little bit of effort to do what we're able to. Right now, it's not convenient for me to stop eating animals, but I'm able to and that makes a difference to me and my conscience, as well as all of the animals I'm not going to eat. Am I wrong for this?

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

A lot of people who work in lots of places are psychologically damaged.

Usually it's to do with people doing jobs they're no good at. But you get that in most industries.

Ah yes the disproportionate cases of PTSD in the office place!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Ah yes the disproportionate cases of PTSD in the office place!

Who mentioned offices?

There are all kinds of unpleasant jobs that take a big toll on people. Some are suited and some aren't.

I just think your idealised vegetarian world is just that, idealised.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

It is possible to be vegetarian or vegan without only eating factory made meals lol. Vegetables? carbs? I barely ever eat processed food. Eating meat 3 times a day every day is a fairly recent thing you have to look no further than to when our grand parents were children most people had meat once day if that. they weren't swamped with quorn factories then I'm sure it would be possible to return to eating like that without causing that.

With the amount of fresh water needed to produce mean, the amount of land and the amount CO2 it produces, I believe it would be very hard to cause anywhere near as much damage let alone more .

I can see the appeal in a country-full of people who grow their own crops in their garden, and cuddles cattle in their factory-free world because nobody is allowed quorn either.. but in reality, thats just not gonna happen, its the most unimaginable hypothetical discussion I've had for years, its not gonna be that easy to feed 65million three or four times a day, factory-made, mass-produced food is gonna need to exist, and thats the last thing the wildlife needs right now... and all the farm animals would die out anyway cos theyre pretty useless and easy prey and it would be nobodys job to look after them

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

You might think it's natural to eat meat because you were raised on that idea, but not everything that's natural is the right way. Also, we are able to rationalise doing less harm and being less cruel. None can be 100% cruelty free in this day and age, but at least we can make a little bit of effort to do what we're able to. Right now, it's not convenient for me to stop eating animals, but I'm able to and that makes a difference to me and my conscience, as well as all of the animals I'm not going to eat. Am I wrong for this?

Of course you're not wrong....it is your personal preference. Just as eating meat is other people's. As long as you are doing what is right for you, its not up to others to argue or criticise

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

You might think it's natural to eat meat because you were raised on that idea, but not everything that's natural is the right way.

Yeh, me, my parents, and their ancestors for the last 2 and a half million years before that were brought up on this idea.

(you are completely entitled to be veggie, obviously. It just wouldnt benefit the world if everybody was, actually it would be a complete hinderance to Earth imo)

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Who mentioned offices?

There are all kinds of unpleasant jobs that take a big toll on people. Some are suited and some aren't.

I just think your idealised vegetarian world is just that, idealised.

I've never once said the whole world should be vegetarian, I've just criticised the meat industry and suggested that more people should consider going vegetarian/vegan and even meat eaters should eat less meat. If not for the animals then for the planet we all live on. Also like I said yesterday meat and dairy sails are declining and demand more vegan options is going up so maybe it's not so idealised

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Withano

Yeh, me, my parents, and their ancestors for the last 2 and a half million years before that were brought up on this idea.

(you are completely entitled to be veggie, obviously. It just wouldnt benefit the world if everybody was, actually it would be a complete hinderance to Earth imo)

(I don't think the whole world should be vegetarian but we need to cut down on meat consumption and do something about the unethical practices of the meat industry thats all I've been trying to say in this thread.)

[Withano]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

(I don't think the whole world should be vegetarian but we need to cut down on meat consumption and do something about the unethical practices of the meat industry thats all I've been trying to say in this thread.)

Meh, if we ate 100 million less cows a year, 100 million less cows would be bred, and the majority would wanna replace those meals with a quorn burger. I cant see it being too helpful if I'm completely honest.

[ginkgo]

Imo pigs and cows are on par with small children, not a fan of speciesist killing of them. And about the natural cycle thing i think we have gone past it as a species and I wouldnt think its fair enough if another 'more advanced' alien species would come here and force us to cages to feed and breed because that's just natural domination cycle

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

Imo pigs and cows are on par with small children, not a fan of speciesist killing of them. And about the natural cycle thing i think we have gone past it as a species and I wouldnt think its fair enough if another 'more advanced' alien species would come here and force us to cages to feed and breed because that's just natural domination cycle

Not aliens.

If that was part of evolution then so be it.

But we're a bit different from pigs as a species. Obviously.

[Jessica.]

We're not better than other animals. They are helpless, they don't deserve what humans put them through. We can make choices that either contribute to these innocent creatures with brains and hearts being hurt or we can decide not to.

Also, I worry for anyone who can't put a meal together without animal or something like quorn in it.

[Marsh.]

I didn't say better. I said different.

Obviously.

I worry for anyone who gives up food because their cat is cute.