[user104658]

So basically, in 40 years time when the majority of people who voted for Brexit will be dead and buried, we will MAYBE SORT OF be able to see if things are KIND OF ok, except totally different anyway... and if things are good, any remaining Brexit voters can say "See! This is cos of Brexit, it was right after all!"... and if things are NOT good they can say "Nothing to do with Brexit, that was decades ago and the world is a totally different place now".

[bots]

Brexit will be neither good nor bad. It will simply be a new framework that people will work and live within. We had to adapt many times at huge expense to meet EU regulations. Many times those regulations resulted in personal hardship for individuals and for companies. This is life, people adapt to survive as they have always done and will always do

[jaxie]

I find claims that the majority object to Trump as a bit bizarre as no one can really speak for the majority, only a national poll could do that.

How people personally feel about him is kind of irrelevant anyway, he is surprisingly reaping results on the world stage. Everyone should be grateful for North Korea's bum at the talks table. Trump got him there.

And Brexit seems to have found it's way in too, with regard the 'experts', are these the same people who told us the world would end the day after a leave vote? It didn't happen. No one has a crystal ball to the future and there is no gexample of a similar situation to point at so any 'expert' take on what will happen is pure speculation.

Once we have left the EU life will go on regardless, the fear is pretty pointless. For me the idea if staying in an organisation who created laws and rules for us that we had no say in for forty years is much more frightening. As is being handcuffed and gagged by our own politicals for 40 years by signing on to a political experiment we never sanctioned as a nation. Frightening and outrageous.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I find claims that the majority object to Trump as a bit bizarre as no one can really speak for the majority, only a national poll could do that.

How people personally feel about him is kind of irrelevant anyway, he is surprisingly reaping results on the world stage. Everyone should be grateful for North Korea's bum at the talks table. Trump got him there.

I'd say Trump is sort of "doing an ISIS" with a lot of these things to be honest. That is to say... things happen, for a variety of reasons, and Trump takes credit for it (like ISIS taking credit for every small scale terrorist attack when most have nothing to do with ISIS). Trump is really not the major factor that got NK to the negotiating table... but he's very very good at self-promotion, so it's not surprising that he's managed to create the narrative that it's all thanks to him.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'd say Trump is sort of "doing an ISIS" with a lot of these things to be honest. That is to say... things happen, for a variety of reasons, and Trump takes credit for it (like ISIS taking credit for every small scale terrorist attack when most have nothing to do with ISIS). Trump is really not the major factor that got NK to the negotiating table... but he's very very good at self-promotion, so it's not surprising that he's managed to create the narrative that it's all thanks to him.

Is your inside information going to let us know who was the major factor?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Alf

Is your inside information going to let us know who was the major factor?

My thoughts exactly. It’s easy to say something is not so and elude to another ‘major factor’ but justifying the comment not so much.

[jaxie]

It seems to me that if they don't like someone then people will go to great lengths to discredit them, even when credit is due. There are many things Trump has said and done that I don't agree with but Obama didn't get 'rocket man' to the table nor did he offer to help restructure the country's broken economy. It appears that Trump has achieved this, kudos to him.

And in the news UN gains unprecedented access to North Korea.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44092623

[Tom4784]

Trump has done nothing to warrant praise, his immature teenage-girl-on-Twitter style of presidency has irritated issues more than helped. NK has come to the table because both Koreas are working the diplomatic process. Trump is just trying to snatch credit because he is an ineffective narcissist.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Trump has done nothing to warrant praise, his immature teenage-girl-on-Twitter style of presidency has irritated issues more than helped. NK has come to the table because both Koreas are working the diplomatic process. Trump is just trying to snatch credit because he is an ineffective narcissist.

i agree with this. I would add that I believe China was actually the one that made it happen. NK visited China just before all these developments started to happen, and they have far more influence over NK than the USA will ever have.