[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You can't have late term abortions unless it's for medical reasons.

Unless science develops a way for men to carry babies to term, I don't think it's our place to oppose abortion. It's a woman's right to choose what she does with her own body.

I don't really get that argument we want Dads to have more involvement, we want them to quite rightly to look after their kids and help with the costs of raising them, we can't have it every way. No Dad, no kid, no abortion needed.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I thought it a little sensationalist of the t-shock chap to mention rape as the numbers of pregnancies from that mist be microscopic in comparison?

Rape is pretty much always mentioned when this subject comes up though, as much from the No side as the Yes

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Free contraception should definitely be campaigned for imo

I would have thought this should have come first? though it makes no difference here to abortion rates

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

get your geography book out

The British Isles are a group of islands off the north-western coast of continental Europe that consist of the islands of Great Britain, Ireland, the Isle of Man and over six thousand smaller isles.

Whatever keeps you off the topic at hand I guess

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I would have thought this should have come first? though it makes no difference here to abortion rates

Well not really because the push for this referendum came about because of medical treatment to pregnant women being affected by the 8th amendment, cases where the pregnancies were actually planned/wanted so contraception wasn't an issue. The biggest case of this and campaigning for the referendum was the Savita Halappanavar case

http://www.thejournal.ie/doctors-sav...27207-May2018/

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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I don't really get that argument we want Dads to have more involvement, we want them to quite rightly to look after their kids and help with the costs of raising them, we can't have it every way. No Dad, no kid, no abortion needed.

I think Dads should have an opinion in some circumstances (if there's a good relationship there, mainly) but ultimately it's the woman's decision. The truth of nature is that a man's role is miniscule when it comes to pregnancy, until the baby's born and they can co-parent, men can't do anything to share the burden of pregnancy.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Whatever keeps you off the topic at hand I guess

Its very much on topic thank you, also that is incorrect it should state Northern Ireland, the Republic is not a British Isle

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think Dads should have an opinion in some circumstances (if there's a good relationship there, mainly) but ultimately it's the woman's decision. The truth of nature is that a man's role is miniscule when it comes to pregnancy, until the baby's born and they can co-parent, men can't do anything to share the burden of pregnancy.

Lots of women dont see pregnancy as a burden some actually love it, men can and do help women during the pregnancy.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Sorry Parmy - but it is shocking that anyone still thinks they can control what a woman can or can’t do with her own body. I can’t imagine anyone is exactly comfortable with the idea of abortion but at the end of the day it is the woman’s body and her life that will be affected and therefore has to be her choice.

Hit the nail on the head here Brillo

Originally Posted by Cherie

Its very much on topic thank you, also that is incorrect it should state Northern Ireland, the Republic is not a British Isle

Two sovereign states are located on the islands: the Republic of Ireland (which covers roughly five-sixths of the island of Ireland)[8] and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Yikes...maybe take your own advice and crack out the geography books

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Lots of women dont see pregnancy as a burden some actually love it, men can and do help women during the pregnancy.

Anyone can help a pregnant woman during her pregnancy, doesn't mean that they should have a say in what she does with her own body.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Anyone can help a pregnant woman during her pregnancy, doesn't mean that they should have a say in what she does with her own body.

But that's two separate issues.

[reece(:]

Is this a women only vote?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Is this a women only vote?

i expect not as normally its a man who impregnates them

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Is this a women only vote?

No unfortunately not as it's a vote regarding removing something from our constitution, same as straight people really shouldn't have had a say on gay marriage either but the definition of marriage had to be changed in our constitution so everyone had a vote on it

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Hit the nail on the head here Brillo




Yikes...maybe take your own advice and crack out the geography books

Politically which was your original point Southern Ireland is not part of the British Isles, so we don't have to be in line with anything

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Politically which was your original point Southern Ireland is not part of the British Isles, so we don't have to be in line with anything

[bots]

The term British Isles is completely meaningless and is not a legal entity

[Nicky91]

abortion feels wrong in any way, if these women didn't want children, why not ask their man to wear a condom in the first place


bringing children into this world, must only happen on Mutual agreement between both the man and the woman

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

it's 12 weeks unrestricted being proposed in our Referendum which is what the thread is about, just want to prevent some confusion on the issue LT which posts like yours are doing.

Thanks niamh...12 weeks isnt as bad in my opinion.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Thanks niamh...12 weeks isnt as bad in my opinion.

Yeah I agree, except in medical cases obviously

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

abortion feels wrong in any way, if these women didn't want children, why not ask their man to wear a condom in the first place


bringing children into this world, must only happen on Mutual agreement between both the man and the woman

THat’s not very realistic Nicky. Besides any man that doesn’t want children should wear one automatically, not wait to be asked - responsibility falls on everyone to protect themselves from parenthood.

[Shaun]

Madness that this still needs debating...

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Is this a women only vote?

One could only wish

Originally Posted by Shaun

Madness that this still needs debating...

100%

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Sorry Parmy - but it is shocking that anyone still thinks they can control what a woman can or can’t do with her own body. I can’t imagine anyone is exactly comfortable with the idea of abortion but at the end of the day it is the woman’s body and her life that will be affected and therefore has to be her choice.

Nail meet head

[arista]

The vote is going to go
to the Undecided
as its a close vote.


Even SkyNewsHD Kay Burley is there today.

The result should be on Saturday