[Beso]

Originally Posted by Underscore

I hope the referendum passes. It's shocking in 2018 that you still can't get an abortion in Ireland.

What is shocking is in 2018 you can still legally kill a baby.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What is shocking is in 2018 you can still legally kill a baby.

Are you against abortion in it's entirety then Parm? Or just so late?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Are you against abortion in it's entirety then Parm? Or just so late?

The lateness..6 months really shocked me.

But the idea of abortion for anything other than health/rape reasons disgusts me.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The lateness..6 months really shocked me.

But the idea of abortion for anything other than health/rape reasons disgusts me.

...I guess Parmy that ‘health reasons’ is such a broad thing as well, is the thing...because it can be emotional health as well as physical health...and for some females, they might not feel emotionally healthy in their circumstances to continue a pregnancy..I guess we have to look at things like child abuse from parents as well, when we think about that...and yeah, I realise there are options of adoption in continuing a pregnancy, rather than terminating it...but there again..(...for whatever reason..)...a female may not feel emotionally healthy enough for everything involved with that either...

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The lateness..6 months really shocked me.

But the idea of abortion for anything other than health/rape reasons disgusts me.

You can't have late term abortions unless it's for medical reasons.

Unless science develops a way for men to carry babies to term, I don't think it's our place to oppose abortion. It's a woman's right to choose what she does with her own body.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You can't have late term abortions unless it's for medical reasons.

Unless science develops a way for men to carry babies to term, I don't think it's our place to oppose abortion. It's a woman's right to choose what she does with her own body.

Thank you. It's funny though, my father is a No supporter (eventhough he's on holiday so can't vote anyway ) He also left my mother to pretty much be a single parent to us 4 kids (eventhough they were married), so Pro Birth but who cares what happens after, someone else will look after them. Luckily though his attitudes haven't rubbed off on my 3 brothers who are all voting Yes and support the women in their lives

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Thank you. It's funny though, my father is a No supporter (eventhough he's on holiday so can't vote anyway ) He also left my mother to pretty much be a single parent to us 4 kids (eventhough they were married), so Pro Birth but who cares what happens after, someone else will look after them. Luckily though his attitudes haven't rubbed off on my 3 brothers who are all voting Yes and support the women in their lives

It's an all too common attitude with a lot of pro-lifers, they place so much value on the pregnancy but nary a thought on what comes after.

[Cherie]

My problem with abortion is for those who use it as a form of contraception, other than that for up to 12 weeks fine, anything after that other than for medical reasons is very iffy

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's an all too common attitude with a lot of pro-lifers, they place so much value on the pregnancy but nary a thought on what comes after.

Indeed. Alot of whom are first in line to complain about single mothers making
future criminals and taking money to raise those kids from the state funnily enough

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You can't have late term abortions unless it's for medical reasons.

Unless science develops a way for men to carry babies to term, I don't think it's our place to oppose abortion. It's a woman's right to choose what she does with her own body.

I don't really get that argument we want Dads to have more involvement, we want them to quite rightly to look after their kids and help with the costs of raising them, we can't have it every way. No Dad, no kid, no abortion needed.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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I don't really get that argument we want Dads to have more involvement, we want them to quite rightly to look after their kids and help with the costs of raising them, we can't have it every way. No Dad, no kid, no abortion needed.

I think Dads should have an opinion in some circumstances (if there's a good relationship there, mainly) but ultimately it's the woman's decision. The truth of nature is that a man's role is miniscule when it comes to pregnancy, until the baby's born and they can co-parent, men can't do anything to share the burden of pregnancy.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think Dads should have an opinion in some circumstances (if there's a good relationship there, mainly) but ultimately it's the woman's decision. The truth of nature is that a man's role is miniscule when it comes to pregnancy, until the baby's born and they can co-parent, men can't do anything to share the burden of pregnancy.

Lots of women dont see pregnancy as a burden some actually love it, men can and do help women during the pregnancy.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What is shocking is in 2018 you can still legally kill a baby.

Sorry Parmy - but it is shocking that anyone still thinks they can control what a woman can or can’t do with her own body. I can’t imagine anyone is exactly comfortable with the idea of abortion but at the end of the day it is the woman’s body and her life that will be affected and therefore has to be her choice.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Sorry Parmy - but it is shocking that anyone still thinks they can control what a woman can or can’t do with her own body. I can’t imagine anyone is exactly comfortable with the idea of abortion but at the end of the day it is the woman’s body and her life that will be affected and therefore has to be her choice.

No need to apologise..

.pity the baby doesnt get a choice what it does with its body as well though...and sorry, but with all the contraception available these days unwanted pregnancies shouldnt be an issue...


if you are going to end up killing the unborn babies life if you get pregnant...then make sure you dont get pregnant.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by parmnion

No need to apologise..

.pity the baby doesnt get a choice what it does with its body as well though...and sorry, but with all the contraception available these days unwanted pregnancies shouldnt be an issue...


if you are going to end up killing the unborn babies life if you get pregnant...then make sure you dont get pregnant.

Even the pill isn’t 100% - so the only sure fire way is abstinence - but that applies to the men as well of course.

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Sorry Parmy - but it is shocking that anyone still thinks they can control what a woman can or can’t do with her own body. I can’t imagine anyone is exactly comfortable with the idea of abortion but at the end of the day it is the woman’s body and her life that will be affected and therefore has to be her choice.

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