[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I disagree, it could be educational and topical but I fear the same arguments would still come up.

I'm still waiting to hear what horrors being aware of the Lgbt community we are saving our children from by keeping them wrapped in a cotton wool filled hetro world

Parent's don't like being told what to do regarding this issue.

They probably think their kids are too young , or they just don't want them to be apart of the parade.

There's people from the LGBT community that aren't interested in parades and pride month as such .

And chances are most of these kids already know about the community , like i said everything is on TV these days and they probably have family members and people they know who are gay .

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Parent's don't like being told what to do regarding this issue.

They probably think their kids are too young , or they just don't want them to be apart of the parade.

There's people from the LGBT community that aren't interested in parades and pride month as such .

And chances are most of these kids already know about the community , like i said everything is on TV these days and they probably have family members and people they know who are gay .

The saddest part of all this is the kids would have loved it. A party atmosphere at school when parents come in are the best days for primary school kids.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

The saddest part of all this is the kids would have loved it. A party atmosphere at school when parents come in are the best days for primary school kids.

But kids can still have parties , why can't there just be a summer celebration for everyone does it have to specifically be about pride month? .

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But kids can still have parties , why can't there just be a summer celebration for everyone does it have to specifically be about pride month? .

Why not though is my only question, it topical and educational. There would be no sexual connotations just a "it's ok right to be you, it's all right to be different, it's normal". I would love my sons school to have had this celebration

[glibberglobber]

My point is people make their own choice of who they want to love lgbt or not, and they should not be forced

[Withano]

Originally Posted by glibberglobber

My point is people make their own choice of who they want to love lgbt or not, and they should not be forced

How would you force anybody to love anybody, lgbt or not.

A ‘pride to be yourself’ march isnt going to turn the world into raging gays, no matter how much glitter. Thats not how love works.

[glibberglobber]

Originally Posted by Withano

How would you force anybody to love anybody, lgbt or not. .

So now forced marriages don't exist in our world?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by glibberglobber

So now forced marriages don't exist in our world?

Oh yeh right that time i was forced to marry someone but it was ok because i instantly fell in love with them. We were married after all.

[glibberglobber]

Originally Posted by Withano

Oh yeh right that time i was forced to marry someone but it was ok because i instantly fell in love with them. We were married after all.

... You are now being ignorant

Forced marriage is still LEGAL in some parts of the world

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by glibberglobber

My point is people make their own choice of who they want to love lgbt or not, and they should not be forced

So you're defending people's rights to be homophobic? Well yes, if people want to be homophobes then they can but that doesn't give them an excuse for other people to drag them for their bigotry.

If people want the right to hate then they must also deal with the fact that their opinions have consequences.

[glibberglobber]

Nowhere did I claim (along the lines of) 'tomorrow ill be lesbian. Next week I'll be gay'

I purely stated that people have a choice of whether they want to be lgbt or not

[Withano]

Originally Posted by glibberglobber

Nowhere did I claim (along the lines of) 'tomorrow ill be lesbian. Next week I'll be gay'

I purely stated that people have a choice of whether they want to be lgbt or not

Do you know what lgbt means?

[glibberglobber]

Originally Posted by Withano

Do you know what lgbt means?

Let me rephrase that - a choice of their SEXUALITY

[Withano]

Originally Posted by glibberglobber

Let me rephrase that - a choice of their SEXUALITY

You do not have a choice of sexuality, you have never had this choice, nor has anybody else.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by glibberglobber

Nowhere did I claim (along the lines of) 'tomorrow ill be lesbian. Next week I'll be gay'

I purely stated that people have a choice of whether they want to be lgbt or not

Originally Posted by glibberglobber

Let me rephrase that - a choice of their SEXUALITY

But it isn't a choice, you can either accept your sexuality or you can live in delusion. I don't know why anyone would think the latter is a choice....

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

But it isn't a choice, you can either accept your sexuality or you can live in delusion. I don't know why anyone would think the latter is a choice....

It hasn’t exactly been determined there is 100% proof it’s not a choice has it. It’s not very helpful to the ‘debate’ to exaggerate the findings of studies to suit your stance. It isn’t quite as black and white as that!

https://www.newscientist.com/article...l-orientation/

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by glibberglobber

Nowhere did I claim (along the lines of) 'tomorrow ill be lesbian. Next week I'll be gay'

I purely stated that people have a choice of whether they want to be lgbt or not

Sexual orientation is not a choice.and don't confuse the issue with examples of people who are bisexual or in the closet!

[Twosugars]

Annie, you've been fantastic in this thread. If all parents were like you there'd be less intolerance.

[user104658]

So long as actual sex is kept out of it I don't see the issue? Young children should know that same-sex relationships are perfectly normal in the modern world... One would hope that by the time our children are older, it will be a non-issue.

One criticism I might offer, though. A young child simply encountering same sex relationships in the real world probably won't find it odd unless they've been told its odd. My daughter first met a friend of mine and his partner when she was 4; she knew they were together and it didn't register as unusual to her at all. Which is surely how it should be.

Now... By introducing the concept of Pride, you sort of cancel out that effect. By loudly announcing that it's normal, are you not by implication informing young people of the fact that there are people out there who think it ISN'T normal and trigger a whole host of questions? And the internal queation; "Do I think it's normal or not?"

And I do think that's a question better suited to a mind capable of free thinking / analytical thought. Which means no under 11's. Because they literally can't do that, which is something people tend to forget or overlook.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

One criticism I might offer, though. A young child simply encountering same sex relationships in the real world probably won't find it odd unless they've been told its odd. My daughter first met a friend of mine and his partner when she was 4; she knew they were together and it didn't register as unusual to her at all. Which is surely how it should be.

Now... By introducing the concept of Pride, you sort of cancel out that effect. By loudly announcing that it's normal, are you not by implication informing young people of the fact that there are people out there who think it ISN'T normal and trigger a whole host of questions? And the internal question; "Do I think it's normal or not?"

And I do think that's a question better suited to a mind capable of free thinking / analytical thought. Which means no under 11's. Because they literally can't do that, which is something people tend to forget or overlook.

If they literally can't do that, then they won't ask it

I do think events such as this do help to educate though, in that they can quash the kind of "lol your gay" playground insults and taunting (perhaps I'm thinking too idealistically, though), which I would imagine is the primary motive for trying to organise an event such as this. I don't think they enhance the idea of "otherness" at all, and that's something that irritates me about adult members of the LGBT community who act all uppity and "above" pride events. The whole point is to celebrate your history and who fought for your rights - so people who just veer away and say it's "too gay for them" and "they don't want to make a scene" are just internalising the homophobia they've been subjected to on themselves.

I don't think a full queer history needs to be instilled on kids - especially not primary school children - but if this is just a one-off event in the same spirit of say, Red Nose Days or Children in Needs or War reenactments or "dress like a Victorian day" or whatever else happens at primary school, I think it's just a nice excuse for fun and also a perfectly innocent way of encouraging children to be less...judgmental I guess? But I see what you mean about that, in turn, perhaps making some kids go "hey **** this, this is lame" or whatever - but I think some kids just react this way to a lot of things

I think we're underestimating the topics that young children are exposed to: why is it okay for kids to learn about the grim realities of the world wars, or famine in Africa, or some fat king from 600 years ago beheading his exes for failing to bear children, but not something like this?

And if it's a case of trying to shelter them from grown-up topics of romance, sex and sexuality, then let's abolish all lessons about the royal weddings, the Nativity, Romeo and Juliet, sex education...

[Eddie.]

Well I’m all for Pride events, but not in Primary Schools...

[chuff me dizzy]

A pride event in a children's school ? the worlds gone mad !! I would keep my child off school that day

[Samm]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

A pride event in a children's school ? the worlds gone mad !! I would keep my child off school that day

“The parade was about teaching the kids love has no label and celebrating love in all its forms.

Your poor child, making them grow up in the a small world, mindless view

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Samm

“The parade was about teaching the kids love has no label and celebrating love in all its forms.

Your poor child, making them grow up in the a small world, mindless view

Oi, don't make comments about another forum member, especially about their parenting skills. That's a banning offence on here.

[Livia]

Time for adults to stop forcing this kind of crap on kids. Someone had an agenda when they thought of this, and it wasn't one of the pupils. 'Pride' is a great thing for adults and long may the celebration continue, but forcing it on a school? Surely the message should be inclusion and not separation? Being gay doesn't make you different from the rest of society, you're not unique or special, you're just another person. Maybe that'd be a better lesson.