[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Parent's don't like being told what to do regarding this issue.

They probably think their kids are too young , or they just don't want them to be apart of the parade.

There's people from the LGBT community that aren't interested in parades and pride month as such .

And chances are most of these kids already know about the community , like i said everything is on TV these days and they probably have family members and people they know who are gay .

The saddest part of all this is the kids would have loved it. A party atmosphere at school when parents come in are the best days for primary school kids.

[glibberglobber]

Originally Posted by Withano

How would you force anybody to love anybody, lgbt or not. .

So now forced marriages don't exist in our world?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by glibberglobber

Nowhere did I claim (along the lines of) 'tomorrow ill be lesbian. Next week I'll be gay'

I purely stated that people have a choice of whether they want to be lgbt or not

Do you know what lgbt means?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by glibberglobber

So now forced marriages don't exist in our world?

Oh yeh right that time i was forced to marry someone but it was ok because i instantly fell in love with them. We were married after all.

[glibberglobber]

Originally Posted by Withano

Do you know what lgbt means?

Let me rephrase that - a choice of their SEXUALITY

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by glibberglobber

My point is people make their own choice of who they want to love lgbt or not, and they should not be forced

So you're defending people's rights to be homophobic? Well yes, if people want to be homophobes then they can but that doesn't give them an excuse for other people to drag them for their bigotry.

If people want the right to hate then they must also deal with the fact that their opinions have consequences.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by glibberglobber

Let me rephrase that - a choice of their SEXUALITY

You do not have a choice of sexuality, you have never had this choice, nor has anybody else.

[glibberglobber]

Originally Posted by Withano

Oh yeh right that time i was forced to marry someone but it was ok because i instantly fell in love with them. We were married after all.

... You are now being ignorant

Forced marriage is still LEGAL in some parts of the world

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by glibberglobber

Nowhere did I claim (along the lines of) 'tomorrow ill be lesbian. Next week I'll be gay'

I purely stated that people have a choice of whether they want to be lgbt or not

Originally Posted by glibberglobber

Let me rephrase that - a choice of their SEXUALITY

But it isn't a choice, you can either accept your sexuality or you can live in delusion. I don't know why anyone would think the latter is a choice....

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by glibberglobber

Nowhere did I claim (along the lines of) 'tomorrow ill be lesbian. Next week I'll be gay'

I purely stated that people have a choice of whether they want to be lgbt or not

Sexual orientation is not a choice.and don't confuse the issue with examples of people who are bisexual or in the closet!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by glibberglobber

... You are now being ignorant

Forced marriage is still LEGAL in some parts of the world

1 what has this got to do with this
2 what has this got to do with love (that was somehow the original point)

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by glibberglobber

... You are now being ignorant

Forced marriage is still LEGAL in some parts of the world

that is not what this debate is about!!!

it is about parents not wanting their kids to be aware that people in the lgbt community exist, which i believe is wrong.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There is none beyond making bigoted parents feel uncomfortable, I imagine.

If a parent can't overcome their bigotry for the sake of their child then they aren't worthy of being a parent. The world is harsh enough for LGBT people without feeling like they can't be themselves around the people who should love them unconditionally.

The only people most people love unconditionally is their chilldren. They owe no such assurances to anyone else. I think sweeping statements that claim to know who is/isn’t fit to be a parent are invalid.

[Matthew.]

it is so sad that this debate needs to be had in the 2nd half of 2018 - you would think that we would have moved on from the pissing dark ages

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

The saddest part of all this is the kids would have loved it. A party atmosphere at school when parents come in are the best days for primary school kids.

But kids can still have parties , why can't there just be a summer celebration for everyone does it have to specifically be about pride month? .

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The only people most people love unconditionally is their chilldren. They owe no such assurances to anyone else. I think sweeping statements that claim to know who is/isn’t fit to be a parent are invalid.

If I made an active attempt in stopping your young child in feeling pride for being who they are, would you say I’d be ready for my own kids? Or would you think I’m a bit of a cruel nutter.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The only people most people love unconditionally is their chilldren. They owe no such assurances to anyone else. I think sweeping statements that claim to know who is/isn’t fit to be a parent are invalid.

But parents with staunchly homophobic views regularly disown gay children. That is not unconditional love....that is conditional love. They may have been perfect loving parents but a revelation of sexuality will see them cut their kids off.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But kids can still have parties , why can't there just be a summer celebration for everyone does it have to specifically be about pride month? .

Why not though is my only question, it topical and educational. There would be no sexual connotations just a "it's ok right to be you, it's all right to be different, it's normal". I would love my sons school to have had this celebration

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by MB.

Whether I do or not has no bearing on the fact that it's now a widely-used term within the LGBT umbrella, be it academia, popular culture (Queer Eye says hello) or otherwise, and anyone who doesn't think so is still living in the Thatcher era

Yup, there's Queer Theory in "academia". But people who think they're queer are still homosexual, bisexual, or trans. Being "queer" doesn't actually set them apart, they're still lacking the same rights and face the same struggles as LGBT people who don't identify as the Q, and it's those things that should be focussed on rather than expanding the term.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

But parents with staunchly homophobic views regularly disown gay children. That is not unconditional love....that is conditional love. They may have been perfect loving parents but a revelation of sexuality will see them cut their kids off.

Most parents these days accept their kids no matter what , of course they'll always be parent's who find it difficult to come to terms with or they might not like it at first.

It's usually people with very strict views that would "disown" their kids . And even then would they really disown them? or is it just the idea of the marriage that puts them off? .

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Yup, there's Queer Theory in "academia". But people who think they're queer are still homosexual, bisexual, or trans. Being "queer" doesn't actually set them apart, they're still lacking the same rights and face the same struggles as LGBT people who don't identify as the Q, and it's those things that should be focussed on rather than expanding the term.

That isn’t what queer theory means at all lol. Actually it basically means the opposite. I think you found a paper one time that said it may not exist, and criticised queer theory and you jumped a few conclusions.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

. I would love my sons school to have had this celebration

As is your right. Others clearly don’t agree - do they not have that same right? Is not too much pressure being put on people to conform to a certain way of thinking in much the same way as those doing this are accusing others of?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Why not though is my only question, it topical and educational. There would be no sexual connotations just a "it's ok right to be you, it's all right to be different, it's normal". I would love my sons school to have had this celebration

I think it would of been more encouraging if they did a celebration that was inviting everyone from different backgrounds and more diverse . Rather than focusing on that topic . then maybe the parent's would of come round more , maybe they would of identified more with it . you get festivals & parties that are open to everyone.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

But parents with staunchly homophobic views regularly disown gay children. That is not unconditional love....that is conditional love. They may have been perfect loving parents but a revelation of sexuality will see them cut their kids off.

I did say most. I personally would never turn my back on my children. I would prefer my children weren’t gay - but if they were I would love them the same.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

As is your right. Others clearly don’t agree - do they not have that same right? Is not too much pressure being put on people to conform to a certain way of thinking in much the same way as those doing this are accusing others of?

Of course they have the right, but I don't think they have the right to protest to such an extent that the school have to scrap the event for the other parents who were more than happy. They should have had the right to withdraw their children but plan a disruptive protest at a primary school is forcing their opinions on others, exactly what they were protesting against