[Smithy]

Niamh I’m not sure how you can say people are closed minded when there is scientific evidence to back up the defense but I haven’t really seen anything credible that hasn’t already been explained through various testing

[Josy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Just cos someone is a bad person and did lots of bad things doesn't mean they can't be innocent of this one particular bad thing, it's a big part of the huge flaw in the way that this was investigated that assumptions were made based on Averys character and conclusions were pre-empted..

Exactly this.

Regardless of opinions towards Steven Avery, the whole thing stinks of complete corruption from start to finish and there was no way that the jury would have truly have found him guilty beyond reasonable doubt if evidence hadn't been tampered with and so on, at the very least he is entitled to a new trial.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I watched the first series then did a load of reading up afterwards and I think he definitely did it. I started watching the second but I found it so biased It annoyed me. Peter Hyatt did a good statement analysis on him. Also, I wouldn't say "poor" him anything he's done some horrible **** besides that (that were very glossed over in the documentary. Brendan dassey also told his mother in a recorded phone conversation that Steve sexually abused him

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.c...entencing.html

You really missed a lot not watching the second season, some of the criminal testing Kathleen carried out was truly eye opening and then the stuff that came out about Bobby was actually sickening

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Niamh, do you not think it's possible that it was Brendan's step-father and brother that did it? and that the police planted it on Avery because not only had he embarrassed them, but he was due to profit big time off them?


I can't understand how someone who was going to receive the financial gain he was, doing something like this.

I don't think a violent murderer would not be a violent murder just because he was going to get money

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

You really missed a lot not watching the second season, some of the criminal testing Kathleen carried out was truly eye opening and then the stuff that came out about Bobby was actually sickening

The whole family seem.like weirdos tbf

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Niamh I’m not sure how you can say people are closed minded when there is scientific evidence to back up the defense but I haven’t really seen anything credible that hasn’t already been explained through various testing

There's scientific evidence to back up the prosecution though, it's why he's in jail now. That it was planted is a theory, a defence

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The whole family seem.like weirdos tbf

The proof of what was recovered from bobby's computer makes him a lot worse than a weirdo.

I still genuinely don't get how the prosecution can describe exactly how she was murdered when they never even had a body or any remains worth examining

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Niamh, do you not think it's possible that it was Brendan's step-father and brother that did it? and that the police planted it on Avery because not only had he embarrassed them, but he was due to profit big time off them?


I can't understand how someone who was going to receive the financial gain he was, doing something like this.

Regarding the step dad and brother, they definitely seem shady but so does Steve and he was the one who specifically requested Teresa come that day and who Teresa had said scared her

[Josy]

On a side note, watching Kathleen and her teams testing etc on this case peaked my interest so I read up and watched other cases she had worked on, she is really amazing at what she does

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

The proof of what was recovered from bobby's computer makes him a lot worse than a weirdo.



I still genuinely don't get how the prosecution can describe exactly how she was murdered when they never even had a body or any remains worth examining

They had shells from Steve's gun with her DNA on it

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

On a side note, watching Kathleen and her teams testing etc on this case peaked my interest so I read up and watched other cases she had worked on, she is really amazing at what she does

Have you watched the Staircase Josy? That's an interesting one

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They had shells from Steve's gun with her DNA on it

Tests in the second season refuted that iirc

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They had shells from Steve's gun with her DNA on it

No they didn’t

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Have you watched the Staircase Josy? That's an interesting one

Yeah I did, I changed my mind about what happened so many times watching that

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think a violent murderer would not be a violent murder just because he was going to get money

Taking away the cat story, he hadn't been a violent murderer of humans before this. He'd just got his freedom having been locked up for 15 years for something he didn't do, and he was going to gain financially in a big way.

I'm not saying it's not possible that he did it despite that, just that it doesn't seem logical, from a normal point of view.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

Tests in the second season refuted that iirc

Hhhmm so the defence say

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Taking away the cat story, he hadn't been a violent murderer of humans before this. He'd just got his freedom having been locked up for something he didn't do, and he was going to gain financially in a big way.



I'm not saying it's not possible that he did it despite that, just that it doesn't seem logical, from a normal point of view.

You aren't exactly dealing with normal people though

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

Yeah I did, I changed my mind about what happened so many times watching that

Same, it was a very unbiased documentary though that one.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

No they didn’t

They did

[Smithy]

I think you should watch S2 of MaM niamh just to see the scientific evidence which Kathleen pus forward

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

I think you should watch S2 of MaM niamh just to see the scientific evidence which Kathleen pus forward

I don't trust the documentarys

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't trust the documentarys

Its mostly Kathleen and her team of experts

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't trust the documentarys

Ok but what about the experiments they do that disproves the states theory? How can you distrust scientific proof

[Alf]

If God see's all and there is a Heaven and Hell, then justice will be served in the after life.

But in this life we have to rely on people and whether you trust people or not.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Ok but what about the experiments they do that disproves the states theory? How can you distrust scientific proof

One scientific experiment saying another is disproved by the defence? Not exactly rock solid in my view. Let's see how the prosecution deal with it with their own experts