[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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err who is paying for their security?

That's as may be, it's not a salary as it were though is it? It's just due to the fact they are targets for say kidnap as the Queens family

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I have no idea, presumably if he were a "normal" British citizen the US would ask to have him extradited but I don't know about a member of the Royal family, don't they have some sort of diplomatic immunity? I'm really unsure how it would work

...I just saw this as part of an article...

Antonios Tzanakopoulos, associate professor of Public International Law at Oxford University, told CNN that a US court "can always issue a subpoena" but they cannot make someone comply if they are in another jurisdiction, including the UK.
Allred told the BBC that lawyers in the civil lawsuit could seek to subpoena Prince Andrew if he were to travel to the US. "Certainly, if he ever came back to the United States, that would be one of the first things that I'm sure a lot of lawyers, including me, would want to do," she said.
If he were to travel to the US on an official visit, it is likely he would have some form of immunity, although it might be different if he were on a private visit, added Tzanakopoulos.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I just saw this as part of an article...

Antonios Tzanakopoulos, associate professor of Public International Law at Oxford University, told CNN that a US court "can always issue a subpoena" but they cannot make someone comply if they are in another jurisdiction, including the UK.
Allred told the BBC that lawyers in the civil lawsuit could seek to subpoena Prince Andrew if he were to travel to the US. "Certainly, if he ever came back to the United States, that would be one of the first things that I'm sure a lot of lawyers, including me, would want to do," she said.
If he were to travel to the US on an official visit, it is likely he would have some form of immunity, although it might be different if he were on a private visit, added Tzanakopoulos.

So no then, he's never going to have to face proper police questioning and investigating ............yep still not surprised

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Because Andrew isn’t a mixed race female from another country.

Lol this sums it truly up... but no people will pretend it's more than that to save face.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So no then, he's never going to have to face proper police questioning and investigating then............yep still not surprised

...they can’t even subpoena across states in the USA, so yeah...not surprising, unless he chooses to answer questioning...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...they can’t even subpoena across states in the USA, so yeah...not surprising, unless he chooses to answer questioning...

I think after his test run on TV he'll be giving that a skip.........

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's as may be, it's not a salary as it were though is it? It's just due to the fact they are targets for say kidnap as the Queens family

And weren’t you banging on about the Duchy land grab last week which will provide 95% of their income, you seem all over the place on this issue

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think after his test run on TV he'll be giving that a skip.........

....hmmmmmm, stranger things have happened as they say...he was strongly advised against his interview and he still did it against all of that advice...(...and I recall reading that in giving the interview he would no longer have diplomatic immunity...?...)...so that’s a huge thing to risk...he could take a risk again tbh...he’s already saying that he will speak to the FBI, so interesting...

[Ammi]

...I have to say that I’ve probably changed and rearranged many of my thoughts in two years...views/thoughts/opinions etc are ever evolving through life experiences, which is a very healthy human thing...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....hmmmmmm, stranger things have happened as they say...he was strongly advised against his interview and he still did it against all of that advice...(...and I recall reading that in giving the interview he would no longer have diplomatic immunity...?...)...so that’s a huge thing to risk...he could take a risk again tbh...he’s already saying that he will speak to the FBI, so interesting...

Oh that is interesting but we'll see

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh that is interesting but we'll see

...I think this might have been what I read at the time...

“If he’d kept his silence he’d have been able to remain outside of the case, as he’s a witness and is entitled to diplomatic immunity. He was a private individual and now he’s waived that privacy.”


..the full article...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...strophic-error


...(...I’m a bit of a geek on stuff like this....)...

[bots]

I like Andrew several orders of magnitude less than I do Meghan, but, my feeling remains that since marrying Harry, she has come across as a spoilt brat. Nothing related to ethnicity or anything else, just basic behaviour

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I think this might have been what I read at the time...

“If he’d kept his silence he’d have been able to remain outside of the case, as he’s a witness and is entitled to diplomatic immunity. He was a private individual and now he’s waived that privacy.”


..the full article...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...strophic-error


...(...I’m a bit of a geek on stuff like this....)...

Thanks Ammi, I'll have a read through

[jet]

I think too that people don’t care about Andrew but are currently very concerned for Harry and that is ongoing. He certainly isn’t a happy man since his marriage, for whatever reasons.
Meghan has got what she wanted. Her beaming smiles as she boarded the seaplane and then when out walking the dogs is a testament to that.

Meanwhile back in the UK Harry was facing a conference with the Royals and then giving a speech in which he got very emotional, near to tears in fact, about what he ‘had no choice’ but to do. Was Meghan thinking of what he was going through? Didn’t appear so.

Meghan’s gain has been Harry’s loss.

He has given up his family, his friends, his ‘2nd family’ the army patronages, his country, his work, for her. What has the spoilt madam given up for him?
IMO, Harry is currently very fragile. What exactly is he going to do in the US to fill his time?
He is trained for nothing but being a Royal. I think this is going to be very hard on him. But Meghan’s happy, and that’s what counts. It is being said the Queen is ‘keeping the door open back home’ - wise woman. JMO.

[Ammi]

...(...I believe...)...concern for Harry would bring support for the person he’s chosen and who he loves and who he wants his life to be with...the negativity about Meghan is a huge part of what hurts him...so if he were unhappy then that would make sense to be the reason...so concern surely would be expressed in support for Meghan as well as for Harry...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I have to say that I’ve probably changed and rearranged many of my thoughts in two years...views/thoughts/opinions etc are ever evolving through life experiences, which is a very healthy human thing...

Indeed it is Ammi, and people can change their mind on how they view anyone based on their actions, it would be nice if people could do that in Meghan's case without being called racist

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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Indeed it is Ammi, and people can change their mind on how they view anyone based on their actions, it would be nice if people could do that in Meghan's case without being called racist

I don't think discussing the racist backlash she's received means people think you personally are racist for disliking her. Unless you were called racist and I missed it.

[Ammi]

..I’m a bit confused, I’ve just looked through the thread and skim read it...a huge amount of it doesn’t refer to race at all ...and the few posts that do are in context also, because race remarks have indeed been a factor in the negativity Meghan has received...that’s already been acknowledged by the palace themselves...so for the question asked in the OP and in context, it’s been appropriately mentioned...we cannot and should not ignore racism if it’s a factor...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't think discussing the racist backlash she's received means people think you personally are racist for disliking her. Unless you were called racist and I missed it.

Its been implied in the other thread, not just to me either

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I’m a bit confused, I’ve just looked through the thread and skim read it...a huge amount of it doesn’t refer to race at all ...and the few posts that do are in context also, because race remarks have indeed been a factor in the negativity Meghan has received...that’s already been acknowledged by the palace themselves...so for the question asked in the OP and in context, it’s been appropriately mentioned...we cannot and should not ignore racism if it’s a factor...

Don’t be confused Ammi, there is another 60 page thread

[Ammi]

...(...I’m not going to look through 60 pages eeeeek.......)....but I don’t recall in any thread, anyone being referred to as racist for changing their mind about something...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...(...I’m not going to look through 60 pages eeeeek.......)....but I don’t recall in any thread, anyone being referred to as racist for changing their mind about something...

Oh right lol

[Ammi]

...I do though believe that racial undertones by the media and some of the public have had racial undertones...and that being a factor, it’s probably been stated as such....and as I say, in the context of the discussions/thread directions etc...this from an article states it much clearer and better than I could...

‘For example, the press has talked about her “exotic DNA”; described her as “(almost) straight outta Compton”; attacked her for the very things that Kate Middleton, Prince William’s white wife, has been praised for; and compared the couple’s son to a chimpanzee. But in TV studios around the country, commentators seem to have peculiarly missed all of this. The coverage of Markle has been welcoming and warm, they say. And when confronted with the evidence that shows that certainly hasn’t always been the tone of reporting, they ask: Is it really racism, though?

Not all racism is overt. Much of it is subtle, quietly shaping the way people are seen, talked about, and treated. Some, like Piers Morgan, have argued it’s not racist to talk about Markle’s DNA as “exotic,” but this term has colonial roots, long working as a form of othering. Acknowledging this would mean really grappling with the insidious ways racism operates in the UK, undermining the notion that it is fundamentally a “tolerant” and “progressive” country.’

...as the piece states...’not all racism is overt’, there are many undertones of racism but they can’t be diminished in any way in the impact they have on those who are subjected to them and how that person must be made to feel...

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

But he's not cooperating with the US investigation and he can't be made to either so he is never going to be properly investigated. That's where the outrage should be. It seems like it's all been brushed under the carpet

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/29/e...cli/index.html

This makes me sad honestly. It also makes me really disgusted in the tabloids for continently sensationalising the Meghan story and stirring up everyone in a frenzy distracting from a literal pedo amongst the royals..

[Kazanne]

Maybe they could swap the prince for the woman who killed Harry Dunn.The US have said they wont send her back but they could do a deal if they want Edward.We get rid of the prince and the Dunns might get justice for Harry.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Maybe they could swap the prince for the woman who killed Harry Dunn.The US have said they wont send her back but they could do a deal if they want Edward.We get rid of the prince and the Dunns might get justice for Harry.

They don't want Edward