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Alf · 02-02-2020, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

If you trick a senile old man into handing over his money, it's not armed robbery but it's still theft.

If you have sex with someone who's not developmentally able to give consent, it's statutory rape.

OK, it's statutory rape, but it's not rape. Again, they're not the same thing, they have different definitions.

Kizzy · 02-02-2020, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Alf

Have you ever thought you are the ignorant one? And what I said was correct?

Rape is an act carried out forcibly or under a threat, or without consent.

This wasn't rape, it was sex with a minor.

You can argue about it until the cows come home, but you're still wrong.

No because I'm not wrong there is an age of consent for a reason.

thesheriff443 · 02-02-2020, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i'm sorry to disappoint so many people, but having lived through the 70's I can assure you all that sex with someone under 16 was considered rape then, they were not different times, it was frowned upon just as much then as it is now.

I'm very shocked at comments in this thread. It is exactly these views that allow predators like Jagger, Gary Glitter et al to behave as they do.

You don’t speak for everyone that lived in the seventies, next you will be saying there was no groupies.

So not going to take your experiences as life in the seventies.

Alf · 02-02-2020, 11:31 AM

Statutory rape definition: Sex with a minor. Exactly what I said.

Rape definition is different, adults can be raped.

bitontheslide · 02-02-2020, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You don’t speak for everyone that lived in the seventies, next you will be saying there was no groupies.

So not going to take your experiences as life in the seventies.

i don't speak for everyone, i speak for the law being the same then as it is now, no if's, no but's

thesheriff443 · 02-02-2020, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

No because I'm not wrong there is an age of consent for a reason.

Being willing and happy to have sex at 15 is very different from being forced to have sex at 15.

And a sentence will take the facts into account.

Burglary comes with a very different sentence to burglary with force.

Zizu · 02-02-2020, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Josy

No the parents arent to blame, the girl isnt to blame, the sicko that abused her is to blame.

I know !

I said that ages ago ... I’m saying that in those cases the parents should have been with them ..

Are you being deliberately obtuse ?

Would you leave your 13 yr old / 15 yr daughters alone with ANY stranger let alone a bladdy rock stars with reputations.

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thesheriff443 · 02-02-2020, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i don't speak for everyone, i speak for the law being the same then as it is now, no if's, no but's

The law was the same but people’s mindsets were different.

Even words that were acceptable then are considered as someone being racist now.

Scarlett. · 02-02-2020, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Alf

Have you ever thought you are the ignorant one? And what I said was correct?

Rape is an act carried out forcibly or under a threat, or without consent.

This wasn't rape, it was sex with a minor.

You can argue about it until the cows come home, but you're still wrong.

The law calls it statutory rape.

It's rape.

Oliver_W · 02-02-2020, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Alf

OK, it's statutory rape, but it's not rape. Again, they're not the same thing, they have different definitions.

Like I said upthread, I think there are blurred lines in this case. I'd concede that there's an argument to be made for making a term for statutory rape in cases where it wasn't grooming or forced, but it should still be punished.

Alf · 02-02-2020, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dia.

The law calls it statutory rape.

It's rape.

No it isn't, it's statutory rape. That's two words, rape is one word. And it has a different definition.

Jake. · 02-02-2020, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Alf

No it isn't, it's statutory rape. That's two words, rape is one word. And it has a different definition.

So? What point is it you’re actually trying to make here?

Alf · 02-02-2020, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jake.

So? What point is it you’re actually trying to make here?

That this wasn't rape.

AnnieK · 02-02-2020, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Alf

That this wasn't rape.

I don't get why you're getting so hung up on it though? You said you think its disgusting etc so why spend the whole thread arguing about the semantics? She was underage, it was illegal. This is why people think you are defending it....it feels like you are trying to make it more palatable

Alf · 02-02-2020, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by AnnieK

I don't get why you're getting so hung up on it though? You said you think its disgusting etc so why spend the whole thread arguing about the semantics? She was underage, it was illegal. This is why people think you are defending it....it feels like you are trying to make it more palatable

I'm not hung up, I'm just replying to posters who are trying to tell me I'm wrong. I'm absolutely cool as a cucumber.

arista · 02-02-2020, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dia.

The law calls it statutory rape.

It's rape.

Dia please check the first post
Rae now older stated these words

[As she rises to leave she says:

'This is my story. I can only tell it as I see it.
This is my truth. Yes, I was only 15.
But it was my body, my choice, my decision.']

thesheriff443 · 02-02-2020, 12:36 PM

If it was all statutory rape , you would not get people be charged with, sex with some one under the age of consent.

It happens a lot on here, when a member of the opposition sex to the the person in the thread title gives there opinion on the case that is not the same as everyone else, they get grief from others on here claiming they are defending the person responsible for a crime.

Same as if a man gives his opinion on sexism, he must be sexist because he is a man.

Scarlett. · 02-02-2020, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443

If it was all statutory rape , you would not get people be charged with, sex with some one under the age of consent.

It happens a lot on here, when a member of the opposition sex to the the person in the thread title gives there opinion on the case that is not the same as everyone else, they get grief from others on here claiming they are defending the person responsible for a crime.

Same as if a man gives his opinion on sexism, he must be sexist because he is a man.

Or its because they're arguing about the semantics of peadophilia

Mick Jagger ****ed someone who was under age, it doesn't matter if the girl was willing, she was underage and could not give consent. I'd argue the same if it was a female teacher who'd done the same with a teenage boy.

thesheriff443 · 02-02-2020, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dia.

Or its because they're arguing about the semantics of peadophilia

Mick Jagger ****ed someone who was under age, it doesn't matter if the girl was willing, she was underage and could not give consent. I'd argue the same if it was a female teacher who'd done the same with a teenage boy.

You can white wash it I’m afraid it’s a crime but it falls into a different category.

Having sex with someone who is under age is wrong but even in the eyes of the law it’s falls into different categories depending on the circumstances of each case.

Josy · 02-02-2020, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You can white wash it I’m afraid it’s a crime but it falls into a different category.

Having sex with someone who is under age is wrong but even in the eyes of the law it’s falls into different categories depending on the circumstances of each case.

Its statutory rape. Why are people so adamant it isnt....

thesheriff443 · 02-02-2020, 01:08 PM

You can kill someone and it’s not always classed as murder.

Josy · 02-02-2020, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu

I know !

I said that ages ago ... I’m saying that in those cases the parents should have been with them ..

Are you being deliberately obtuse ?

Would you leave your 13 yr old / 15 yr daughters alone with ANY stranger let alone a bladdy rock stars with reputations.

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You're comment read that the parents were partly to blame.

I stand by my opinion. They arent. The victim isnt either.