[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

So modest.

I have my moments of modesty, the time is not now

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Slim v TS, not as good as cherie v kizzy but it's a great distraction

It's not happening Cherie, I think we'd both end up banned. You'll have to find some other fantasy to harden your nips

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's not happening Cherie, I think we'd both end up banned. You'll have to find some other fantasy to harden your nips

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Slim v TS, not as good as cherie v kizzy but it's a great distraction

and I thought when TS first joined that maybe he was Slim in disguise because they were so similar

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

and I thought when TS first joined that maybe he was Slim in disguise because they were so similar

same

[user104658]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

The people complaining would cry like a baby if they were in Korea and China where you would be arrested or even shot for leaving the house

To be fair it is important to draw the distinction between NK (shot) and SK (a modern society) but the risk is in believing that just because SK isn't NK, it's infallible. They've (anecdotally) been using some unpalatable surveillance and control tactics and openly publishing people's confidential medical details to anyone who wants to see them.

We're at risk of "baby out with the bathwater" stuff here I think. People happily accepting unthinkable breaches of privacy and freedoms in pursuit of a "no holds barred" solution.

One that floodgate is opened you can never really close it and I genuinely sometimes wonder what sort of world we're going to wake up to once the Covid question is answered.

[Denver]

Didnt South Korea force most of their young males into voluntary service and lined the streets with the Army?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Didnt South Korea force most of their young males into voluntary service and lined the streets with the Army?

You know what would be easier on you than all this defensive flailing? Accepting the simple truth that your beloved Tories are not perfect and that, outside of Sunak's handling of the Stimulus packages, the government majorly **** the bed on this one.

When you're trying to undermine countries that have handled the crisis relatively well to defend a government that has not, you just got to take a breather and take the blinkers off for a second.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You know what would be easier on you than all this defensive flailing? Accepting the simple truth that your beloved Tories are not perfect and that, outside of Sunak's handling of the Stimulus packages, the government majorly **** the bed on this one.

When you're trying to undermine countries that have handled the crisis relatively well to defend a government that has not, you just got to take a breather and take the blinkers off for a second.

South Korea threaten men with jail if they dont join the army so maybe learn your facts before trying to throw them away as false

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

South Korea threaten men with jail if they dont join the army so maybe learn your facts before trying to throw them away as false

Many countries have forms of National Service, I don't agree with it but it has absolutely nothing to do with Corona you you're still flailing and doing exactly what I said you were doing.

Try thinking, not as a drone, but for yourself, for once.

[Denver]

But didnt most of those things happen in a labour government? But it's the tories faulttestong labs wasnt built

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

But didnt most of those things happen in a labour government? But it's the tories faulttestong labs wasnt built

Adam, I don't know how to make this more clear and simple to understand.

The Tories have been in power for a decade now, do you know what a decade is? Ten whole years. You can't keep blaming old governments forever when a decade of potential change and action has gone by under the Tories. A good government learns from the past, the world has seen a bunch of outbreaks over the years and our governments, both Labour and Tory have failed to prepare for a pandemic. If Labour was in charge, I'd say the same. The government has ****ed up, Ebola should have been a wakeup call to be prepared but they weren't, they should have been doing more when they heard how bad things were going to get back in January/February but they did not.

Adam, this isn't about Tories or Labour, this is about our government not doing what they should have been doing. Aside from the Stimulus packages, they ****ed up hard.

[Tom4784]

My whole point is that it's dumb for any government to be unprepared for a viral outbreak, Bill Gates, in the wake of Ebola, took a stance that every government should be prepared for this kind of situation and they didn't listen, they didn't learn from the woes of other countries and the UK remained unresponsive when our government could have done more to prepare.

[Denver]

We could have afforded testing labs of we didnt squander tens of millions of invading countries for fun

[Kizzy]

Listen...I'll take all you bitchez on, and win

[Denver]

Also all of this **** about building test labs, we are running out of land to keep building we cant just keep destroying places to make buildings

[Kizzy]

One of the biggest failures that has gone under the radar a little is under staffing, we built field hospitals which is great but who have we got to work in them.
Removing the bursary led to a drop in uptake in nursing degrees, the reduction of immigration for low paid workers has added to that shortfall. Now we have shiny new hospitals and no nurses.. Where's the backlash?

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

One of the biggest failures that has gone under the radar a little is under staffing, we built field hospitals which is great but who have we got to work in them.
Removing the bursary led to a drop in uptake in nursing degrees, the reduction of immigration for low paid workers has added to that shortfall. Now we have shiny new hospitals and no nurses.. Where's the backlash?

They gave all students in their final year a pass and asked people to come out of retirement I'm not sure what else could have been done

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

They gave all students in their final year a pass and asked people to come out of retirement I'm not sure what else could have been done

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Just to be clear I'm on about during the pandemic and not since they have been in charge, because I've never agreed with punishing the NHS to save money

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Just to be clear I'm on about during the pandemic and not since they have been in charge, because I've never agreed with punishing the NHS to save money

They have put the patients and staff at risk by taking this route.... can't you see that?

Student nurses have limited clinical experience this is a big ask to forgo a whole year of important education that is designed to prepare them for the role in general, not a pandemic.
Retirees are in the most vulnerable group, it's obvious why they are at risk.

This should never have been suggested, if they weren't spread paper thin initially this 'solution' wouldn't have been see as the only option.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

They gave all students in their final year a pass and asked people to come out of retirement I'm not sure what else could have been done

Student nurses aren’t being paid for the work they do however, even if it’s their passion and they enjoy doing it. They should be paid.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Samm

Student nurses aren’t being paid for the work they do however, even if it’s their passion and they enjoy doing it. They should be paid.

I didnt see this bit? I though they walked straight into a paid job but yes I dont agree with not paying them

[Samm]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

I didnt see this bit? I though they walked straight into a paid job but yes I dont agree with not paying them

They get money from a placement, however it’s not the same as a paid nurse job. Labour MPs are promising a plan to wipe their student debt which I think would be a good gratitude

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Samm

Student nurses aren’t being paid for the work they do however, even if it’s their passion and they enjoy doing it. They should be paid.

Any source to confirm that point ?


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