[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Slim v TS, not as good as cherie v kizzy but it's a great distraction

It's not happening Cherie, I think we'd both end up banned. You'll have to find some other fantasy to harden your nips

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's not happening Cherie, I think we'd both end up banned. You'll have to find some other fantasy to harden your nips

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Marsh is arguing with Oliver about blackface in another thread, that should tide you over.

Actually I can't in good conscience recommend that thread... it is a dumpster fire.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Do you know why South Korea was prepared? because of SARS which didnt effect us but hugley effected them

So we in the past few decades alone have seen various diseases come and go and none of the governments, including this one were truly prepared for a pandemic?

Is that really an excuse? Seems like incompetence to me. Perhaps you should put down your allegiances for a second and just see the situation for what it is, not re-interpreting it to cast Boris as the hero.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Slim v TS, not as good as cherie v kizzy but it's a great distraction

and I thought when TS first joined that maybe he was Slim in disguise because they were so similar

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So we in the past few decades alone have seen various diseases come and go and none of the governments, including this one were truly prepared for a pandemic?

Is that really an excuse? Seems like incompetence to me. Perhaps you should put down your allegiances for a second and just see the situation for what it is, not re-interpreting it to cast Boris as the hero.

\You tell me one disease this century that has hit the UK like this?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Didnt South Korea force most of their young males into voluntary service and lined the streets with the Army?

You know what would be easier on you than all this defensive flailing? Accepting the simple truth that your beloved Tories are not perfect and that, outside of Sunak's handling of the Stimulus packages, the government majorly **** the bed on this one.

When you're trying to undermine countries that have handled the crisis relatively well to defend a government that has not, you just got to take a breather and take the blinkers off for a second.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You know what would be easier on you than all this defensive flailing? Accepting the simple truth that your beloved Tories are not perfect and that, outside of Sunak's handling of the Stimulus packages, the government majorly **** the bed on this one.

When you're trying to undermine countries that have handled the crisis relatively well to defend a government that has not, you just got to take a breather and take the blinkers off for a second.

South Korea threaten men with jail if they dont join the army so maybe learn your facts before trying to throw them away as false

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

and I thought when TS first joined that maybe he was Slim in disguise because they were so similar

same

[arista]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

How anyone can vote higher than “bad job” I don’t know. This government has truly been a disaster for the most part throughout this pandemic. The only positive they can possibly be proud of is their stimulus packages and even then they’ve still neglected some sections of people with it.

Yes watch Live 5PM
Johnson PM
I do hope the Press push him hard

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

\You tell me one disease this century that has hit the UK like this?

Moving the goalposts, are we? As expected.

We've seen a bunch of viral threats in my lifetime alone. Swine Flu, Foot and Mouth, Bird Flu, SARS, Ebola etc.

Do you honestly think a government has done a good job if they don't think 'hmm, other countries have been hit hard by viral outbreaks over the years, maybe we should be prepared just in case?' Pretty much all the governments that have been in power since I've been alive have failed in this regard but I'm guessing you'd only defend the blue governments.

The Government had advanced warnings about how bad it was going to be, they chose not to be prepared, they chose not to take preventative action, they originally chose pure inaction before the outrage corrected their course.

You can plug your ears and hold your eyes shut but the truth of the matter, for the most part, our government ****ed up.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

South Korea threaten men with jail if they dont join the army so maybe learn your facts before trying to throw them away as false

Many countries have forms of National Service, I don't agree with it but it has absolutely nothing to do with Corona you you're still flailing and doing exactly what I said you were doing.

Try thinking, not as a drone, but for yourself, for once.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Moving the goalposts, are we? As expected.

We've seen a bunch of viral threats in my lifetime alone. Swine Flu, Foot and Mouth, Bird Flu, SARS, Ebola etc.

Do you honestly think a government has done a good job if they don't think 'hmm, other countries have been hit hard by viral outbreaks over the years, maybe we should be prepared just in case?' Pretty much all the governments that have been in power since I've been alive have failed in this regard but I'm guessing you'd only defend the blue governments.

The Government had advanced warnings about how bad it was going to be, they chose not to be prepared, they chose not to take preventative action, they originally chose pure inaction before the outrage corrected their course.

You can plug your ears and hold your eyes shut but the truth of the matter, for the most part, our government ****ed up.

Swine Flu was inefective
Sars didnt have any deaths and no only cases so stop claiming it was a major virus swiping through the UK
Ebola had very few cases in the UK

so there you go claiming they were major UK problems when you should be infect researching the stuff you say

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Swine Flu was inefective
Sars didnt have any deaths and no only cases so stop claiming it was a major virus swiping through the UK
Ebola had very few cases in the UK

so there you go claiming they were major UK problems when you should be infect researching the stuff you say

Adam, you need to read what I actually wrote and not what you imagined I wrote.

Tell me, point out exactly were I said that SARS was a major virus that swept through the UK. Go on, I will wait.

My advice to you would be to read posts twice, once is obviously not enough for you to understand what I'm saying.

[Denver]

But didnt most of those things happen in a labour government? But it's the tories faulttestong labs wasnt built

[Tom4784]

My whole point is that it's dumb for any government to be unprepared for a viral outbreak, Bill Gates, in the wake of Ebola, took a stance that every government should be prepared for this kind of situation and they didn't listen, they didn't learn from the woes of other countries and the UK remained unresponsive when our government could have done more to prepare.

[Denver]

We could have afforded testing labs of we didnt squander tens of millions of invading countries for fun

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So we in the past few decades alone have seen various diseases come and go and none of the governments, including this one were truly prepared for a pandemic?

.

See I don't disagree with this, but then it's not a Tory thing. It is a small-t tory thing, in the sense that its a neoliberal capitalist thing, where since Thatcher pretty much everything has been overlooked in favour of City of London and economic gain so government has been far too distracted to think about "stuff like this", but that applied to Blair-Brown Labour tories just as much as Tory tories.

It's also way beyond the scope of just the UK.

So is there blame? Yes there's an absolute tonne of historic blame, there are no real excuses for governments, politics and economies having gone this way but that was the case long before Covid. No excuse for corporatism, political cronyism, all of it.

However if you just accept that as "what is", because really what else can you do, it comes down to assessing the government on what's happened since late January. Have they done a stellar job, best in the world? No there are plenty of crap moves and errors. Could they be worse? You only have to glance across the Atlantic to say "ohhh yes, apparently so". They could have done nothing at all and let it swamp the NHS, that hadn't happened. They could have turtled up to protect the economy at all costs, that hasn't happened.

Thus the only option for how they've handled this is "OK". It's not good. It could clearly be worse. We hope lessons will have been learned, but we know they probably won't have been.

[Kizzy]

Listen...I'll take all you bitchez on, and win

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

But didnt most of those things happen in a labour government? But it's the tories faulttestong labs wasnt built

Adam, I don't know how to make this more clear and simple to understand.

The Tories have been in power for a decade now, do you know what a decade is? Ten whole years. You can't keep blaming old governments forever when a decade of potential change and action has gone by under the Tories. A good government learns from the past, the world has seen a bunch of outbreaks over the years and our governments, both Labour and Tory have failed to prepare for a pandemic. If Labour was in charge, I'd say the same. The government has ****ed up, Ebola should have been a wakeup call to be prepared but they weren't, they should have been doing more when they heard how bad things were going to get back in January/February but they did not.

Adam, this isn't about Tories or Labour, this is about our government not doing what they should have been doing. Aside from the Stimulus packages, they ****ed up hard.

[Cherie]

Keeping capacity in the NHS has been a success?

The Furlough scheme in the main, obviously there are gaps, but in a country this size are you really going to get everyone?

Ventilators haven't run out

The cash thrown at Imperial and Oxford to find a vaccine which would be a huge boost to the economy if they find one

The Nightengales

The protection of the shielded and the huge effort to ensure they have food boxes which you hear nothing about at all

Schools kept open for key worker families and the vulnerable






The bad from me has been PPE disaster, non testing at airports, and herd immunity, but then Sweden are trialling that and no one is complaining that their Government are ****ers Testing as well but that is finally kicking in, oh and asking people to take responsibility for self isolating after returning from an infected country, just didn't happen

[Denver]

Also all of this **** about building test labs, we are running out of land to keep building we cant just keep destroying places to make buildings

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes watch Live 5PM

Johnson PM

I do hope the Press push him hard

Why ??

Two weeks or so out of intensive care .. he should he recuperating at home .. especially being a new father ..

They had a female triathlon on the LBCa few days ago and she was in a similar state as Boris and she said it took her 6 WEEKS to get back to feeling ok again


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[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

How anyone can vote higher than “bad job” I don’t know. This government has truly been a disaster for the most part throughout this pandemic. The only positive they can possibly be proud of is their stimulus packages and even then they’ve still neglected some sections of people with it.

.

Let’s not forget that before lockdown they purposely downgraded the virus so that they wouldn’t have to adhere to the stricter ppe measures that would have been in place.

The simple fact that flights from infected countries are still allowed to come in should be pissing more people off than it is, but then again #BackBoris

[Kizzy]

One of the biggest failures that has gone under the radar a little is under staffing, we built field hospitals which is great but who have we got to work in them.
Removing the bursary led to a drop in uptake in nursing degrees, the reduction of immigration for low paid workers has added to that shortfall. Now we have shiny new hospitals and no nurses.. Where's the backlash?