[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

That actually came from a lefty.

Doubt but it doesn't matter, a Karen is a Karen and you're listening to a particularly dumb one.

[user104658]

Just so that no one takes Parmy's terrible advice:

Yes whichever Facebook smart arse wrote that is technically correct, however, they only gave you half the story. After one incident, the shop (because shops are private businesses, not public spaces) can take out a trespass order against you, and once served with the trespass order (the next time you try to enter the shop) if you go onto the premises you absolutely can be arrested and charged with trespassing.

That is if you're being respectful.

Next up; what happens if you kick off? Because whilst the above applies to ALL shops and stores (clothes and tech stores etc) - supermarkets and most convenience stores sell alcohol, so they are licensed premises. Refusing to leave a licensed premises on request of those responsible for said premises, when that person believes that you are engaging in disorderly conduct, IS a criminal offense and you can be physically removed from the property by premises security or by the police. If you resist, you can be arrested.

In 10 years working for the ol bookies (which is licensed because of gambling, not alcohol, but the same rules apply) I have had COUNTLESS individuals physically removed from the premises by police, at least 5 arrested, and had two court trespass orders issued banning people for life.

So by all means go ahead if it's a shop you never intend to go to again. If its your local supermarket, I'd suggest that getting banned for life isn't worth it, and you should put on your mask .

You've been given dud advice Parmy.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Just so that no one takes Parmy's terrible advice:

Yes whichever Facebook smart arse wrote that is technically correct, however, they only gave you half the story. After one incident, the shop (because shops are private businesses, not public spaces) can take out a trespass order against you, and once served with the trespass order (the next time you try to enter the shop) if you go onto the premises you absolutely can be arrested and charged with trespassing.

That is if you're being respectful.

Next up; what happens if you kick off? Because whilst the above applies to ALL shops and stores (clothes and tech stores etc) - supermarkets and most convenience stores sell alcohol, so they are licensed premises. Refusing to leave a licensed premises on request of those responsible for said premises, when that person believes that you are engaging in disorderly conduct, IS a criminal offense and you can be physically removed from the property by premises security or by the police. If you resist, you can be arrested.

In 10 years working for the ol bookies (which is licensed because of gambling, not alcohol, but the same rules apply) I have had COUNTLESS individuals physically removed from the premises by police, at least 5 arrested, and had two court trespass orders issued banning people for life.

So by all means go ahead if it's a shop you never intend to go to again. If its your local supermarket, I'd suggest that getting banned for life isn't worth it, and you should put on your mask .

You've been given dud advice Parmy.

I mean on one hand this, but on the other is facebook. I don't know what to believe.

[user104658]

Come to think of it, I don't think it would be hard to argue that trying to force entry past door staff without a mask in the first place could be argued as disorderly conduct.

What happens when you try to enter a club with a dress/footwear code in the wrong clothes and argue with the bouncers when they turn you away?

Its exactly the same principle. You don't have a legal right to enter a licenced premises.

[Niamh.]

[The Slim Reaper]

Niamh being a "watersports" advocate is certainly new information.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Niamh being a "watersports" advocate is certainly new information.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That is a very good metaphor, it works exactly like that. I am sick at the moment with a high temperature and I am so glad I wore my mask the whole time when I was out the other day. It's probably not covid-19 but it's quite nice that if I am contagious then there's a lower chance that I passed it on to anyone.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

That is a very good metaphor, it works exactly like that. I am sick at the moment with a high temperature and I am so glad I wore my mask the whole time when I was out the other day. It's probably not covid-19 but it's quite nice that if I am contagious then there's a lower chance that I passed it on to anyone.

Oh hope you're OK Jess

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh hope you're OK Jess

Thanks, I called the covid-19 helpline for Portugal and they gave me advice, I am okay, they aren't worried that I have it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Thanks, I called the covid-19 helpline for Portugal and they gave me advice, I am okay, they aren't worried that I have it.

That's good, do you need to self isolate now or not?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

That is a very good metaphor, it works exactly like that. I am sick at the moment with a high temperature and I am so glad I wore my mask the whole time when I was out the other day. It's probably not covid-19 but it's quite nice that if I am contagious then there's a lower chance that I passed it on to anyone.

...you take care, Jess.....

[Beso]

You cant get fined 100 pound for not wearing a mask by the police.. nor can you be arrested for not wearing one by the police.

My advice is good advice..as long as you dont get aggresive with the supermarket staff.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You cant get fined 100 pound for not wearing a mask by the police.. nor can you be arrested for not wearing one by the police.

My advice is good advice..as long as you dont get aggresive with the supermarket staff.

A supermarket is a licensed premises and you can be asked to leave by staff. If you refuse to leave, you can be removed by police. It doesn't matter if you're aggressive or not. I worked in licensed retail management for nearly a decade Parmy.

Whether or not you can be arrested or fined is another matter but if the police come to escort you off of the premises they can do so physically and if you fight them you can then be arrested.

[Beso]

Do you have to wear one if it effects a health condition you suffer from?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Do you have to wear one if it effects a health condition you suffer from?

They've been proven not to affect the oxygen sats of people with asthma and COPD etc. so what sort of health condition?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They've been proven not to affect the oxygen sats of people with asthma and COPD etc. so what sort of health condition?

From the source in the op.


list of exemptions has not yet been published, but the rules for face masks on public transport exempt anyone who cannot wear one "because of any physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability", who would experience "severe distress" from doing so, or relies on lip reading, among other reasons

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Do you have to wear one if it effects a health condition you suffer from?

I don't get this, Parm. You were quite critical of Boris acting slowly when it kicked off, and now you're looking for loopholes so you don't have to wear a mask and work with everyone else to try and keep folks as safe as possible.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I don't get this, Parm. You were quite critical of Boris acting slowly when it kicked off, and now you're looking for loopholes so you don't have to wear a mask and work with everyone else to try and keep folks as safe as possible.

What's the point in wearing a mask when you are more likely to catch it by touch.


All those shop workers not wearing masks coughing on the food packaging and touching it is far more dangerous than me keeping my 2 meter distance from everyone else....

A government telling you what you wear, not on my watch.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What's the point in wearing a mask when you are more likely to catch it by touch.





All those shop workers not wearing masks coughing on the food packaging and touching it is far more dangerous than me keeping my 2 meter distance from everyone else....



A government telling you what you wear, not on my watch.

They're not telling you what to wear - they're telling shops what to require you to wear to enter. Again, you don't have a right to enter a licensed premesis. If the licensee says you can't come in, you can't come in.

You can wear what you want at home - and they wouldn't be able to make them mandatory outdoors.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They're not telling you what to wear - they're telling shops what to require you to wear to enter. Again, you don't have a right to enter a licensed premesis. If the licensee says you can't come in, you can't come in.

You can wear what you want at home - and they wouldn't be able to make them mandatory outdoors.

But if you said you had a condition so didnt need to wear one and they refused you entry, they would be violating your civil rights.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What's the point in wearing a mask when you are more likely to catch it by touch.


All those shop workers not wearing masks coughing on the food packaging and touching it is far more dangerous than me keeping my 2 meter distance from everyone else....

A government telling you what you wear, not on my watch.

Sometimes you show such care and consideration for others, then other times, like this, I just don't get what you're fighting against or where you're coming from. It's something easy and painless that we can all do to reduce the risk for everyone and help life get back to normality.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Sometimes you show such care and consideration for others, then other times, like this, I just don't get what you're fighting against or where you're coming from. It's something easy and painless that we can all do to reduce the risk for everyone and help life get back to normality.

Ok..what about all these protests and gatherings where most people didnt have a mask on.wheres the spike in new cases and mass deaths?


It looks like living a normal life like those people were is ok after all.

You may argue that that was outdoors unlike supermarkets. But wheres the spikes from the supermarkets during all the weeks we haven't been wearing masks? But all of a sudden you can only catch covid in supermarkets after July 24th

I'm just not buying this **** anymore, .

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What's the point in wearing a mask when you are more likely to catch it by touch.


All those shop workers not wearing masks coughing on the food packaging and touching it is far more dangerous than me keeping my 2 meter distance from everyone else....

A government telling you what you wear, not on my watch.

Don’t go shopping until it’s lifted then I guess?

[Ammi]

...this is tongue in cheek, obviously and there are lots of other similar vids...I don’t understand any thought process of not wanting to wear a mask...

..’oh, just pop this on, it could save your life/save the lives of other people..’...

..’no, thank you, I won’t bother, not keen on it tbh...’....


...makes no sense, no sense...