[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

One could ask, though, is "boys just wanna have fun" (or more often, "boys will be boys") an excuse when male rappers/singers/trump/etc are objectifying women and glorifying aggressive sex? It feels, admittedly without pondering the issue too long, that many of us would quite LIKE to be able to continue criticising objectification and "locker room banter" and calling it out for what it is. That means also doing so when it's females "having their fun".

The idea that everyone should be fine with it/it being sexist not to be fine with it seems to be based on the entirely flimsy premise that "no one is bothered when men do it" when really, if we think about it for a minute, we obviously know that people are indeed bothered when men do it.

The reason 'people' are bothered that the men that make those kinds of statements about women is it comes from a different place. Songs about bitches and *****s aren't comparable to this song about enjoying ..um, adventurous sex.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I guess it applies more to Ben Shapiro who was the first one to bring feminism into it. I mean it probably should never have been put forward as a feminist argument in the first place because it never claimed to be a feminist statement

His reaction though... my wife is a doctor and she says getting that wet is a condition?

Poor cow

I hope the vid gives her some WAP tips.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Songs about bitches and *****s aren't comparable to this song about enjoying ..um, adventurous sex.

The song literally starts with the repeated refrain "There's some wh0res in this house, there's some wh0res in this house, there's some wh0res in this house" and contains lyrics about "wanting" to be skull****ed.

I honestly don't think it's different at all.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

His reaction though... my wife is a doctor and she says getting that wet is a condition?



Poor cow



I hope the vid gives her some WAP tips.

To be fair, they suggest needing a mop and bucket which I think probably would be a bit concerning. Though obviously is intended as hyperbole.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The reason 'people' are bothered that the men that make those kinds of statements about women is it comes from a different place. Songs about bitches and *****s aren't comparable to this song about enjoying ..um, adventurous sex.

How does it coming from a different place matter though when the end result is the exact same?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

How does it coming from a different place matter though when the end result is the exact same?

It's not the same imo.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The song literally starts with the repeated refrain "There's some wh0res in this house, there's some wh0res in this house, there's some wh0res in this house" and contains lyrics about "wanting" to be skull****ed.

I honestly don't think it's different at all.

You've heard abut reclaiming words.. slut walks, the N word? Now it's wh0re.

The premise of of a man using those words is to describe something that gives 'him' pleasure. This is the opposite, it's a woman who demands her own pleasure. And the bucket and mop is a metaphor for that.

Gushy/ orgasm.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's not the same imo.

The woman being a sexual toy for the bloke in both isn't the same?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You've heard abut reclaiming words.. slut walks, the N word? Now it's wh0re.

Not really being "reclaimed" when it's being used in the exact same context. She's not taking control of the word and the situation, she's still "his" wh0re to do as "he" pleases.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not really being "reclaimed" when it's being used in the exact same context. She's not taking control of the word and the situation, she's still "his" wh0re to do as "he" pleases.

That might be what you take from that but I don't. The whole song is a list of what they both women want.. nowhere did I hear do what you please.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

The woman being a sexual toy for the bloke in both isn't the same?

I don't agree that in this they are suggesting they are 'toys'.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You've heard abut reclaiming words.. slut walks, the N word? Now it's wh0re.



The premise of of a man using those words is to describe something that gives 'him' pleasure. This is the opposite, it's a woman who demands her own pleasure. And the bucket and mop is a metaphor for that.



Gushy/ orgasm.

Reclamation would sort of require it being a woman using the words. The "There's some wh0res in this house" refrain is the only line of the whole thing that's quite clearly, if I'm not mistaken, a male voice .

Why do you imagine that is?

If it's reclamation, why isn't it one of their voices, or another female voice, on that line?

The whole thing reeks of #PickMe dressed up as empowerment. I don't have any real problem with people being able to record whatever they want, I'm not asking for it to be banned or censored, but if it's up in discussion I'm going to call it how I see it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That might be what you take from that but I don't. The whole song is a list of what they both women want.. nowhere did I hear do what you please.

I never said it wasn't what the women want.

I said what the women want is to be the sexual object, which is fine, but it's no different to the role women play in similar songs sung by male artists. So suggesting it is "different" doesn't really work.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair, they suggest needing a mop and bucket which I think probably would be a bit concerning. Though obviously is intended as hyperbole.

pretty grim lyrics when you think about it

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Reclamation would sort of require it being a woman using the words. The "There's some wh0res in this house" refrain is the only line of the whole thing that's quite clearly, if I'm not mistaken, a male voice .

Why do you imagine that is?

If it's reclamation, why isn't it one of their voices, or another female voice, on that line?

The whole thing reeks of #PickMe dressed up as empowerment. I don't have any real problem with people being able to record whatever they want, I'm not asking for it to be banned or censored, but if it's up in discussion I'm going to call it how I see it.

It's not a male rappers voice is it? It's an older male sounding like a father or pastor, for me that's a swipe at patriarchy.
If you are calling it how you see it why are you facepalming me for calling it as I see it?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I never said it wasn't what the women want.

I said what the women want is to be the sexual object, which is fine, but it's no different to the role women play in similar songs sung by male artists. So suggesting it is "different" doesn't really work.

I don't agree they want to be an 'object' you're missing the point, my view is they are not 'his' to do what 'he' wants.
It's the opposite, not that 'he' is theirs but that 'she' is sexually dominant.

The onus is on 'I want this' in male rappers lyrics the message is 'do this'.

Can you not see the difference?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

pretty grim lyrics when you think about it

That's a very Irish response

Squirting? Down with that kind of thing!

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's a very Irish response

Squirting? Down with that kind of thing!

Yeah, definitely only us sexually repressed Irish would think those lyrics were grim.........

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, definitely only us sexually repressed Irish would think those lyrics were grim.........

Aw I was only joking, I had an Irish nan I never met who by all accounts was far from repressed

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, definitely only us sexually repressed Irish would think those lyrics were grim.........

You're just not forward thinking enough to tie yourself in knots trying to justify misogyny-nouveau under the guise of woke liberalism Niamh. It's because all Irish people are actually descended from nuns, so it's not your fault. Instinct, probably. All of that internalised Catholic guilt stopping you from joining in the fun.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You're just not forward thinking enough to tie yourself in knots trying to justify misogyny-nouveau under the guise of woke liberalism Niamh. It's because all Irish people are actually descended from nuns, so it's not your fault. Instinct, probably. All of that internalised Catholic guilt stopping you from joining in the fun.

Oh yes, that must be it, silly me

[Cherry Christmas]

I will take the repressed status, would have the same reaction to some man mopping up his load

The song is boring and unoriginal and I wish we could move on from squatting in knickers and similar moves it’s been done to death by now

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I will take the repressed status, would have the same reaction to some man mopping up his load

The song is boring and unoriginal and I wish we could move on from squatting in knickers and similar moves it’s been done to death by now

we will get hundreds more of these, this is the music of today

[user104658]

It's no Bomfunk MC's "Freestyler", that's for sure.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You're just not forward thinking enough to tie yourself in knots trying to justify misogyny-nouveau under the guise of woke liberalism Niamh. It's because all Irish people are actually descended from nuns, so it's not your fault. Instinct, probably. All of that internalised Catholic guilt stopping you from joining in the fun.

Ok don't respond to my actual points in the thread just snipe at a joke....
New misogyny, What's this then?