[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I did, how can we deal with new misogyny though when we're clearly still dealing with old misogyny

With a lot of difficulty, but we're going to have to it seems.

where is the definition of new misogyny? How did karens end up in there?

Well that's the thing isn't it. It's not so much "new", as new flavours of the same old thing, dressed up in a pretty dress and coming from the opposite direction.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i love how it can either be a materpiece of feminism or vile porn

just either or

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i love how it can either be a materpiece of feminism or vile porn

just either or

I don't think it's either.

I'd stick it in the box labelled "derivative song".

[user104658]

2020 is me and Marsh being TiBB's biggest feminists and Kizzy being a woman-hating agent of the nu patriarchy.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

2020 is me and Marsh being TiBB's biggest feminists and Kizzy being a woman-hating agent of the nu patriarchy.

Go figure lol!!

[Kizzy]

I didn't say it wasn't misogyny because she objectified herself. I said it wasn't because she had took back control.

Stop misrepresenting me.

[Marsh.]

If you're not going to bother to read what was written, don't bother to reply.

[Ammi]

...this is another interesting article, I think...I’ll just leave it here for anyone’s read, as you wish...



WAP: the summer smash hit that exposed the fear of sexually liberated black women

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/wap-summer...112316928.html

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...this is another interesting article, I think...I’ll just leave it here for anyone’s read, as you wish...







WAP: the summer smash hit that exposed the fear of sexually liberated black women



https://uk.yahoo.com/news/wap-summer...112316928.html

I feel like this was written by a fan of the attists/music (openly within the first few sentences) and from that point neutrality goes out the window. It then cherry-picks which criticisms to counter (the ones that express outrage at the overt sexuality) and use those specific criticisms to create a "critic strawman" to argue against in a blinkered way, making massive assumptions along the way. They've either allowed their bias to stop them from seeing that there are multiple criticisms that have absolutely nothing to do with "not liking women talking about sex" OR they have consciously decided to ignore the parts of the argument that they can't easily shoo away with that particular angle. Neither makes for a very good article. I'd be more interested in the academic angle from observers who are not already fans of the genre or the artist. Not people who DISlike the genre of course, that would be just as biased, but anything that lacks sociological neutrality on this isn't really worth reading, just a lot of signalling and parroting.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I feel like this was written by a fan of the attists/music (openly within the first few sentences) and from that point neutrality goes out the window. It then cherry-picks which criticisms to counter (the ones that express outrage at the overt sexuality) and use those specific criticisms to create a "critic strawman" to argue against in a blinkered way, making massive assumptions along the way. They've either allowed their bias to stop them from seeing that there are multiple criticisms that have absolutely nothing to do with "not liking women talking about sex" OR they have consciously decided to ignore the parts of the argument that they can't easily shoo away with that particular angle. Neither makes for a very good article. I'd be more interested in the academic angle from observers who are not already fans of the genre or the artist. Not people who DISlike the genre of course, that would be just as biased, but anything that lacks sociological neutrality on this isn't really worth reading, just a lot of signalling and parroting.

Your opinion is so much more unbiased than this academic article?..
Look at your use of language, she is cherry picking/biased/blinkered/ assumptive/

You can only comment on anything if you are neutral.. When did that become a thing, do film critics refuse to critique films or actors they like or admire? No of course they don't.

You've taken exception to this comprehensive peice as it flies in the face of your armchair sociologist perspective. So instead of validating anything she's said as having any merit, youve dismissed her as a fangirl.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Your opinion is so much more unbiased than thus academic article?..

Look at your use of language, she is cherry picking/biased/blinkered/ assumptive/



You can only comment on anything if you are neutral.. When did that become a thing, do film critics refuse to critique films or actors they like or admire? No of course they don't.



You've taken exception to this comprehensive peice as it flies in the face of your armchair sociologist perspective. So instead of validating anything she's said as having any merit, youve dismissed her as a fangirl.

She admitted openly to being a fan girl, and I didn't say she "can't comment"? I said I'd need something a bit more neutral for me, personally, to take it seriously or find it interesting. A fan defending something that they are already pre-inclined to defend isn't interesting. It might be to you, that's fine also, but I'm speaking for myself here.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...this is another interesting article, I think...I’ll just leave it here for anyone’s read, as you wish...



WAP: the summer smash hit that exposed the fear of sexually liberated black women

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/wap-summer...112316928.html

Excellent article Ammi thanks, agree with all of that.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Excellent article Ammi thanks, agree with all of that.

Given that all you've done in this thread is exactly what I described above, that's unsurprising

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Given that all you've done in this thread is exactly what I described above, that's unsurprising

Given that all you've done is snipe at my points in this thread this is unsurprising.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

If you're not going to bother to read what was written, don't bother to reply.

I read it, I just don't agree with it. Any of it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I read it, I just don't agree with it. Any of it.

That's fine. Should've maybe responded with that to begin with instead of the pathetic post that was inventing what I said, instead of addressing what I actually said.

Still, got there in the end.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

That's fine. Should've maybe responded with that to begin with instead of the pathetic post that was inventing what I said, instead of addressing what I actually said.

Still, got there in the end.

I can respond as I see fit to, so can you as this rude dismissive post proves.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I can respond as I see fit to, so can you as this rude dismissive post proves.

Nope, you don't get to re-invent what I said to turn it into a completely unrelated discussion. You do it all the time, just stop.

[Strictly Jake]

Dont know what its classed as....but its crap....and when i played spotify hot hits before when the kids were with me and I hadnt ever heard it and it came on it was a very awkward moment!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

Dont know what its classed as....but its crap....and when i played spotify hot hits before when the kids were with me and I hadnt ever heard it and it came on it was a very awkward moment!

Yeah, pretty much nailed it Jake

*I would think the same about a male artist with similar lyrics

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

Dont know what its classed as....but its crap....and when i played spotify hot hits before when the kids were with me and I hadnt ever heard it and it came on it was a very awkward moment!

Might want to check your parental controls then. Not all music is for kids.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Might want to check your parental controls then. Not all music is for kids.

Another unrelated personal comment.

[Ammi]

...I’m starting to read the title as ...Feminist Masterpiece Or Russell Brand?....

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I’m starting to read the title as ...Feminist Masterpiece Or Russell Brand?....

BOTH!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Another unrelated personal comment.

Yet another snipe at my view, rap is rarely child friendly why would this be any different?