[Niamh.]

Ugh how gross is this, who the hell does he think he is? :

"Chris Watts keeps pictures of Shanann, Bella, and Celeste on his cell walls and spoke to them at night. He wrote Celeste a letter on her birthday and had his parents read it at her gravesite. He described himself as Celeste’s “safe haven” despite having murdered her and thrown her body in an oil drum."

https://filmdaily.co/news/chris-watts-jake-patterson/

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Ugh how gross is this, who the hell does he think he is? :

"Chris Watts keeps pictures of Shanann, Bella, and Celeste on his cell walls and spoke to them at night. He wrote Celeste a letter on her birthday and had his parents read it at her gravesite. He described himself as Celeste’s “safe haven” despite having murdered her and thrown her body in an oil drum."

https://filmdaily.co/news/chris-watts-jake-patterson/

the epitome of delusional and psychotic

[Josy]

Is Dear Zachary on Netflix?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

Is Dear Zachary on Netflix?

I Don't know i watched it on YouTube

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I Don't know i watched it on YouTube

Just found it on YouTube there lol

[Ramsay]

Dear Zachary is a very tough watch

[Ammi]

...yeah, Dear Zachary isn’t an easy watch, Josy...just to say...it really does depict evil in human...

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

Dear Zachary is a very tough watch

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah, Dear Zachary isn’t an easy watch, Josy...just to say...it really does depict evil in human...

Absolutely heartbreaking and yes definitely not an easy watch, the tears are steaming down my face

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Josy

Absolutely heartbreaking and yes definitely not an easy watch, the tears are steaming down my face

....David and Kate Bagby are such incredibly inspirational people...I found this small update on their lives from January of this year...

https://www.thechronicleherald.ca/ne...ce=parsely-api

[Niamh.]

Smithy you will like this, a really creepy coincidence involving the CCTV footage and AHS. When they're finished looking at the video an advert pops up on the screen (3.18) of a fetus which is actually an ad for AHS, the full ad is eerily similar to stuff Chris did Coincidence or a message from Shan'ann?

Youtube video

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Smithy you will like this, a really creepy coincidence involving the CCTV footage and AHS. When they're finished looking at the video an advert pops up on the screen (3.18) of a fetus which is actually an ad for AHS, the full ad is eerily similar to stuff Chris did Coincidence or a message from Shan'ann?

Youtube video

Mess lemme perch this later

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Mess lemme perch this later

Just watch from 3.18 on wards

[Ammi]

....something that a friend said when he watched it...’maybe he was a master manipulator’....it was when we were talking about the woman he was seeing, Nichol and whether she knew more...?...but he wasn’t a master manipulator, was he...I mean, he couldn’t manipulate Shanann into not realising his affair, he was so obvious in that he refused all physical/intimate contact with her...and in the interview, it was a very short time until he admitted the murder of the girls as well ...so he couldn’t really keep up a ‘manipulation’ with his dad of his dad thinking that Shanann had killed the girls....so he was a pretty awful manipulator...and yet something as awful as this/his intentions...and Nichol had no inklings...?...

[The Slim Reaper]

I followed this when it happened and have watched all the bodycam footage and interviews. I don't think Nichol had anything to do with it, other than the affair of course.

In his prison interview they ask him about the theories, and you can just tell he's not hiding anything. He gave himself away through his actions the whole case, so no way he wouldn't have given himself away in this, too.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I followed this when it happened and have watched all the bodycam footage and interviews. I don't think Nichol had anything to do with it, other than the affair of course.

In his prison interview they ask him about the theories, and you can just tell he's not hiding anything. He gave himself away through his actions the whole case, so no way he wouldn't have given himself away in this, too.

I still think there was more to it with Nichol, she deleted all their texts and she was very evasive in her interviews, always spending ages talking about stuff that didn't matter but forgetting a lot of conversations she had with Chris. She's hiding something imo, it may not be to do with the murders even but she was definitely hiding something from the Police officers imo

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I still think there was more to it with Nichol, she deleted all their texts and she was very evasive in her interviews, always spending ages talking about stuff that didn't matter but forgetting a lot of conversations she had with Chris. She's hiding something imo, it may not be to do with the murders even but she was definitely hiding something from the Police officers imo

If you suddenly suspected the man you were having an affair with, wiped out his family, I think it's probably 50:50 between those that would delete everything and those that wouldn't. I've no doubt she's hiding things. It's pretty natural. They were in a new relationship, so there's probably some really dodgy stuff that's personal between them, that none of us would want getting out in that situation.

She did go to the police voluntarily before they even knew about her. I think in cases this horrific, it's natural to look for other things because it just doesn't make sense that he did what he did.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I followed this when it happened and have watched all the bodycam footage and interviews. I don't think Nichol had anything to do with it, other than the affair of course.

In his prison interview they ask him about the theories, and you can just tell he's not hiding anything. He gave himself away through his actions the whole case, so no way he wouldn't have given himself away in this, too.

...yeah that’s one thing we can say, I think...he was an awful manipulator from the off...his affair was so obvious because he didn’t manipulate is the thing...

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah that’s one thing we can say, I think...he was an awful manipulator from the off...his affair was so obvious because he didn’t manipulate is the thing...

I don't think he was any kind of manipulator. He didn't cover his tracks in anyway - even the bedsheet he wrapped her in, he left at the work site. He didn't have any kind of plan for any of it. He may have been planning on working it out after work, but Shannan's nicole put an end to that.

The excuse he gave at the station was only his excuse because the detective gave it to him as part of the interrogation, and he latched on to it because he knew they didn't believe in his innocence. Even after the polygraph, all he had to do was walk out as a free man, and lawyer up. He was just too frazzled by that point to even know what he was doing.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....something that a friend said when he watched it...’maybe he was a master manipulator’....it was when we were talking about the woman he was seeing, Nichol and whether she knew more...?...but he wasn’t a master manipulator, was he...I mean, he couldn’t manipulate Shanann into not realising his affair, he was so obvious in that he refused all physical/intimate contact with her...and in the interview, it was a very short time until he admitted the murder of the girls as well ...so he couldn’t really keep up a ‘manipulation’ with his dad of his dad thinking that Shanann had killed the girls....so he was a pretty awful manipulator...and yet something as awful as this/his intentions...and Nichol had no inklings...?...

Yeah I agree with you, he wasn't clever or a manipulator imo It seemed like he didn't think the murders through at all

[Niamh.]

Ok and this is a big speculation but I wonder was what she was hiding that she was the one who gave Chris both the idea and drug to try and cause Shan'ann to miscarry so that Nichol could have his "first son" instead. One story that both Chris and Nichols version of events match up is that they had an argument one time while Shan'ann was away for those few weeks, they argued in Chris and Shan'anns house, could she have discovered while there that Shan'ann was having a boy and maybe she had a meltdown about that. We know it was while Chris went to Shan'ann's parents that he gave her the first dose of that poison

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Ok and this is a big speculation but I wonder was what she was hiding that she was the one who gave Chris both the idea and drug to try and cause Shan'ann to miscarry so that Nichol could have his "first son" instead. One story that both Chris and Nichols version of events match up is that they had an argument one time while Shan'ann was away for those few weeks, they argued in Chris and Shan'anns house, could she have discovered while there that Shan'ann was having a boy and maybe she had a meltdown about that. We know it was while Chris went to Shan'ann's parents that he gave her the first dose of that poison

If I remember correctly, Shanann didn't even know she was having a boy that early as she wanted a surprise at their gender reveal party initially, so she gave her results to the other Nicole. it was only when they cancelled that party that she found out.

I may be misremembering things though.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

If I remember correctly, Shanann didn't even know she was having a boy that early as she wanted a surprise at their gender reveal party initially, so she gave her results to the other Nicole. it was only when they cancelled that party that she found out.

I may be misremembering things though.

I thought she knew and the gender reveal party was for her friends and family? isn't that how they usually work? (not that I ever knew anyone who had one )

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I thought she knew and the gender reveal party was for her friends and family? isn't that how they usually work? (not that I ever knew anyone who had one )

That's why it stood out to me, because she wanted to wait.

I need to find this out now or it will bug me.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

That's why it stood out to me, because she wanted to wait.

I need to find this out now or it will bug me.

I'm trying to find out now too. The most i can find is someone saying she had a baby boy picture frame in her office at home with the ultra sound picture in it, but that's just a person's comment on a youtube video

[Niamh.]

Although, just because she didn't know for sure if the baby was a boy or girl doesn't mean that my theory couldn't be true either :

Watts has also confessed that he slipped oxycodone to Shanann several weeks before the murders, hoping to cause her to miscarry.
I thought it would be easier to be with Nichol if Shanann wasn’t pregnant.
According to Cheryln Cadle, Watts told her that his girlfriend wanted to be the one to give him a son.
https://medium.com/honestly-yours/wh...s-2a90a9a88745