[Zizu]

Why does she get so much media attention in the first place ??


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[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Why does she get so much media attention in the first place ??


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It’s more the other way around really. The reason her citizenship was stripped is BECAUSE she was a high-profile example. The story was big when they first left the country to go the the Middle East, so when she reappeared after the fall of ISIS it was given a tonne of press attention, and the government took unusual action essentially for PR reasons. If it hadn’t been a high-profile example in the press, she would have been brought back, jailed & questioned in the UK.

[Tom4784]

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[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yup, She's just been made an example because it's good for the optics, basically. Completely hypocritical and unethical to leave someone stateless regardless of what they've done but doing so pleases the easily pleased.

The hilarious thing (OK not hilarious, it's not a humorous situation, but in terms of this debate, pretty funny) is that people don't seem to realise just how many extremely dangerous individuals living in this country UK security services have on various lists and being monitored constantly. The argument seems to be that she's "just too dangerous" to have even enter the country... even if she would be in jail . A girl who was brainwashed online as a teenager, is barely into her 20's now, and has most likely never actively engaged in an attack. This isn't a defense of her it's just pointing out that she is, quite obviously, comparatively nowhere NEAR as much of a "risk" as hundreds of other individuals already living free in Britain. Thus, it becomes very clear that the reasons for all of this are not because it's "too dangerous" at all, and simply because it's so high profile. The way people talk about it (including the government) you'd think she was some sort of mastermind cell leader.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The hilarious thing (OK not hilarious, it's not a humorous situation, but in terms of this debate, pretty funny) is that people don't seem to realise just how many extremely dangerous individuals living in this country UK security services have on various lists and being monitored constantly. The argument seems to be that she's "just too dangerous" to have even enter the country... even if she would be in jail . A girl who was brainwashed online as a teenager, is barely into her 20's now, and has most likely never actively engaged in an attack. This isn't a defense of her it's just pointing out that she is, quite obviously, comparatively nowhere NEAR as much of a "risk" as hundreds of other individuals already living free in Britain. Thus, it becomes very clear that the reasons for all of this are not because it's "too dangerous" at all, and simply because it's so high profile. The way people talk about it (including the government) you'd think she was some sort of mastermind cell leader.

Yes ts we already have sub human scum living amongst so let’s let’s another one come and do the same, great argument you have there.

People like you that stand up for these murders are half the problem the world is like it is

And before you say anything like you are not standing up for them you are because you think it’s acceptable for these scum bags to be back in this country serve a ridiculously short sentence and be back on the streets claiming more benefits than decent hard working people

Only one way to rid the world of vermin is to kill them .

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The hilarious thing (OK not hilarious, it's not a humorous situation, but in terms of this debate, pretty funny) is that people don't seem to realise just how many extremely dangerous individuals living in this country UK security services have on various lists and being monitored constantly. The argument seems to be that she's "just too dangerous" to have even enter the country... even if she would be in jail . A girl who was brainwashed online as a teenager, is barely into her 20's now, and has most likely never actively engaged in an attack. This isn't a defense of her it's just pointing out that she is, quite obviously, comparatively nowhere NEAR as much of a "risk" as hundreds of other individuals already living free in Britain. Thus, it becomes very clear that the reasons for all of this are not because it's "too dangerous" at all, and simply because it's so high profile. The way people talk about it (including the government) you'd think she was some sort of mastermind cell leader.

What makes you think people dont seem to realise we are still at risk from hundreds of people still living in this country?

[Tom4784]

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[arista]

She was on Yesterdays London Free Paper
Front Page

[Swan]

She was groomed, she's brown, everyone is racist blah blah blah. Same old bollocks, same old excuses.

She's shown no real remorse, she was old enough to know right from wrong, it's a pretty open and shut case. She's not the UK's responsibility, she chose the path she took. She left, she's a terrorist who wanted to cause harm to all those who are now making excuses for her.

[Niamh.]

I don't know why people are acting like grooming young or vulnerable (or both) people is some made up thing, there's a lot of research into it. People are groomed online for a whole host of things from sexual abuse to terrorism. Solving this issue involves recognising where and why people like Shamima went down the path that they did and how to combat it

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't know why people are acting like grooming young or vulnerable (or both) people is some made up thing, there's a lot of research into it. People are groomed online for a whole host of things from sexual abuse to terrorism. Solving this issue involves recognising where and why people like Shamima went down the path that they did and how to combat it

No one is saying grooming doesn’t happen or is made up
Do I believe she was groomed, no it’s that’s simple

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

No one is saying grooming doesn’t happen or is made up
Do I believe she was groomed, no it’s that’s simple

But it's simply the facts of what happened that she was groomed... she was indoctrinated into ISIS ideology and recruited online by ISIS when she was a teenager. That part isn't in question. It would be valid to say "she already thought along those lines" or "it doesn't matter, she's dangerous now" or whatever but ... the reason her (and her friends) initially went to join the Islamic State was online grooming. That was discovered long before she "resurfaced".

[Parmy]

I feel sorry for her on so many ways tbh.

[joeysteele]

As was pointed out on Question Time last night.
The Supreme Court didn't rule on whether she should lose her British citizenship.

It ruled only that the government was legal in deciding to remove it.

It leaves therefore as Kate Green of Labour was pressed, even by the audience, although the government were legal to do so.
However was the government wrong to remove her citizenship.

Kate Green was criticised for not opposing the government and to say they were wrong.

It's like it was legal for the government to say bring in the bedroom tax which causes many to lose their homes or be moved on.
However it wasn't right to do it.
Despite being legal.

What the court was saying.
If the government decided to leave her British citizenship in place or decide to remove it.
They, the government, not the Court, had the legal right to make that decision.

Whether it's right or wrong is another matter.
We've had many bad things done in the name of being legal.

If she were to return, no one is saying she should walk around free.
As the overall view on Question Time, from panel,( except the Con Minister and I think one of the audience who spoke), she should be allowed back to face the accusations and charges, held until gone through the Courts, then whatever sentence imposed, having to be carried out.

If any, even small, valuable information can in fact be collated from her as to how the terrorist network grooms and works.
Then I think that preferable.

I have no time for her myself.
However, as she is, yes in a camp, she is never going to have to face any justice procedure anywhere.

[AnnieK]

Her citizenship was stripped for nothing more than political point scoring. The Government knew that if they brought her back to the UK, the public outcry would be huge but only because she was so high profile due to her age and sex. They have brought back many people who fought for ISIS and placed them in anti radicalisation programmes. A lot of them males who actually fought for ISIS.... Had her story not have made the news for being a young girl who fled there, she would have been back a long time ago.

https://www.ft.com/content/11fd7c00-...4-fbbacad9e7dd


"Of the 900 Britons estimated to have travelled to fight with Isis, around 40 per cent have already returned, 20 per cent are thought to have died and the remainder, around 360, are still in the Middle East."

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Her citizenship was stripped for nothing more than political point scoring. The Government knew that if they brought her back to the UK, the public outcry would be huge but only because she was so high profile due to her age and sex. They have brought back many people who fought for ISIS and placed them in anti radicalisation programmes. A lot of them males who actually fought for ISIS.... Had her story not have made the news for being a young girl who fled there, she would have been back a long time ago.

https://www.ft.com/content/11fd7c00-...4-fbbacad9e7dd


"Of the 900 Britons estimated to have travelled to fight with Isis, around 40 per cent have already returned, 20 per cent are thought to have died and the remainder, around 360, are still in the Middle East."

well, well, well

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Her citizenship was stripped for nothing more than political point scoring. The Government knew that if they brought her back to the UK, the public outcry would be huge but only because she was so high profile due to her age and sex. They have brought back many people who fought for ISIS and placed them in anti radicalisation programmes. A lot of them males who actually fought for ISIS.... Had her story not have made the news for being a young girl who fled there, she would have been back a long time ago.

https://www.ft.com/content/11fd7c00-...4-fbbacad9e7dd


"Of the 900 Britons estimated to have travelled to fight with Isis, around 40 per cent have already returned, 20 per cent are thought to have died and the remainder, around 360, are still in the Middle East."

We always knew they brought people back though

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Cherie

We always knew they brought people back though

I'm not saying it was a secret but I am saying in my opinion why Shamima was stripped. Because of the coverage at the time and subsequently when she popped up at the refugee camp she became recognisable.

I am sure a lot of the men who went out to fight committed far more heinous crimes but because their pictures have not been splashed across the media, they have been allowed to quietly return.

It is political posturing at its best. We are probably in far more danger from the fighters who have returned, who are trained jihadi's than a kid who has spent more time in a refugee camp than actually with ISIS.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I'm not saying it was a secret but I am saying in my opinion why Shamima was stripped. Because of the coverage at the time and subsequently when she popped up at the refugee camp she became recognisable.

I am sure a lot of the men who went out to fight committed far more heinous crimes but because their pictures have not been splashed across the media, they have been allowed to quietly return.

It is political posturing at its best. We are probably in far more danger from the fighters who have returned, who are trained jihadi's than a kid who has spent more time in a refugee camp than actually with ISIS.

This is beyond question really, we've brought back people objectively far more dangerous, the reason she was stripped of citizenship and continues to be denied is because it's high profile and the government don't want the bad PR. It's that simple.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I'm not saying it was a secret but I am saying in my opinion why Shamima was stripped. Because of the coverage at the time and subsequently when she popped up at the refugee camp she became recognisable.

I am sure a lot of the men who went out to fight committed far more heinous crimes but because their pictures have not been splashed across the media, they have been allowed to quietly return.

It is political posturing at its best. We are probably in far more danger from the fighters who have returned, who are trained jihadi's than a kid who has spent more time in a refugee camp than actually with ISIS.

Thats my opinion also, that said I don’t care about her situation...sorry not sorry

[rusticgal]

Maybe if she had shown some genuine remorse over her actions in the first place she wouldn't be in the situation she is today...

[arista]

She said
If Isis came to the camp
she would rather die than join them.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

She said
If Isis came to the camp
she would rather die than join them.

She had to say it before 8.59pm on the 9th of August unfortunately. She unwittingly missed the window of benefit of the doubt, so now it's lies.

[Tom4784]

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