[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

17 of 39 horses finish but Hill Sixteen put down after a fall - the third fatality of the three-day meeting,We are still waiting to discover the condition of the several horses that fell in the Grand National and we will provide an update as soon as we have it. So you all think this is acceptable as long as it pleases you ?

At least they existed and experienced life, you wouldn't even let them have that if you had it your way.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Alf

At least they existed and experienced life, you wouldn't even let them have that if you had it your way.

Well if they'd never existed, they'd never have known anything.

To breed them, then in really what amounts to a kind of bloodsport to FORCE them to participate and then lose their lives in deep distress and pain because they cannot get back up on their legs.
Some life.

That's something I wouldn't want to support.

Now fair enough you do.
That's your choice and your view.

Mine is not breed them to kill them for a SO called sport in the first place.

This race has too many jumps, too many runners, is too long and has too high fences.
It's designed for cruelty and that's ALL IT IS.
In my view.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well if they'd never existed, they'd never have known anything.

To breed them, then in really what amounts to a kind of bloodsport to FORCE them to participate and then lose their lives in deep distress and pain because they cannot get back up on their legs.
Some life.

That's something I wouldn't want to support.

Now fair enough you do.
That's your choice and your view.

Mine is not breed them to kill them for a SO called sport in the first place.

This race has too many jumps, too many runners, is too long and has too high fences.
It's designed for cruelty and that's ALL IT IS.
In my view.

It's their job. They're earning their keep. Just as us humans do when we go out to work in dangerous jobs to earn our keep.

We train for our jobs to try and prevent accident and so do the horses. We put safeguards in place to try and prevent accidents and safeguards are put in place for the horses.

You sound like you're anti-race horse (not horse racing, the actual horse) Any other animals you discriminate against that you want to make extinct?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's their job. They're earning their keep. Just as us humans do when we go out to work in dangerous jobs to earn our keep.

We train for our jobs to try and prevent accident and so do the horses. We put safeguards in place to try and prevent accidents and safeguards are put in place for the horses.

You sound like you're anti-race horse (not horse racing, the actual horse) Any other animals you discriminate against that you want to make extinct?

Alf, stop being silly, no one wants to make any animals extinct, but we are doing a good job of that anyway, but as Joey said they are bred simply for money and racing, it's selfish greedy humans again,each to their own but we are also allowed to have opposing opinions ,how can anyone enjoy that spectical today, I caught about 10 seconds that was enough, I get you enjoy it and a flutter but not everyone does .

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's their job. They're earning their keep. Just as us humans do when we go out to work in dangerous jobs to earn our keep.

We train for our jobs to try and prevent accident and so do the horses. We put safeguards in place to try and prevent accidents and safeguards are put in place for the horses.

You sound like you're anti-race horse (not horse racing, the actual horse) Any other animals you discriminate against that you want to make extinct?

What tripe.
No I don't want any animals extinct..
Even without ALL racing Horses wouldn't be extinct or even near to being and you know that surely.

I'll leave it there because Kazanne has said just about all I was intending to as to your post.

How on earth can wanting the fullest protection for any animals, be wanting to make them extinct.
Really, for goodness sake.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Alf

At least they existed and experienced life, you wouldn't even let them have that if you had it your way.

Of course I would Alf,don't be silly, by all means have these beautiful horse but why risk their lives by racing them like this

[arista]

Hang on
Let the Horse Racing release official numbers

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

Hang on
Let the Horse Racing release official numbers

One is one too many

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Hang on
Let the Horse Racing release official numbers

Well it doesn't look too promising possibly since they haven't yet.

We are hearing of the arrests of people.
Not the unnecessary death or deaths of the horses.

If it was good news, they'd be crowing about it and how safe the race is.

As Kazanne says one is too many especially as it happens it appears every year of 1 at least beautiful being killed in a race for goodness sake.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well it doesn't look too promising possibly since they haven't yet.

We are hearing of the arrests of people.
Not the unnecessary death or deaths of the horses.

If it was good news, they'd be crowing about it and how safe the race is.

As Kazanne says one is too many especially as it happens it appears every year of 1 at least beautiful being killed in a race for goodness sake.

Look it will not be instant
but Only Official numbers should be posted.

That's all I ask.

[Alf]

When those horses win prize money, it pays for their stables, their food, their vets bills, their grooms. They're earning their keep and danger is just a part of life for everyone.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Alf

When those horses win prize money, it pays for their stables, their food, their vets bills, their grooms. They're earning their keep and danger is just a part of life for everyone.

Why should they pay with their lives?to make money for humans ?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Why should they pay with their lives?to make money for humans ?

Why should humans who die on the job to make money for humans? They do it so that they can have a roof over their head and food in their belly. The race horses do the same.

[Kazanne]

[QUOTE=Alf;11281235]Why should humans who die on the job to make money for humans? They do it so that they can have a roof over their head and food in their belly. Th
race horses do the same.[/QUOTE

Horses don't have that thought complex Alf, they don't know any difference,they are forced to race.

[Crimson Dynamo]

wild horses get no vet care or love and attention and are left to the elements

these horses get all the best vet care available and love and attention and are protected from the elements

[Mystic Mock]

I have nothing personal against Horse Racing as a concept, but I really don't like how big the fences can be at the Grand National.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I have nothing personal against Horse Racing as a concept, but I really don't like how big the fences can be at the Grand National.

Nearly every year they try to tell us they've made the course safer.

Yet still deaths continue.
Because they haven't and it's just lip service deceit.

I agree the fences always have been and remain still, way too high plus there's way too many of them too in my view.

Then people who know this and set out to highlight same, end up getting arrested.
Shameful.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Nearly every year they try to tell us they've made the course safer.

Yet still deaths continue.
Because they haven't and it's just lip service deceit.

I agree the fences always have been and remain still, way too high plus there's way too many of them too in my view.

Then people who know this and set out to highlight same, end up getting arrested.
Shameful.

I agree with you Joey.

I personally feel like the main appeal of the Grand National should be seeing some of the best Horses taking each other on, not how big the fences are.

[jet]

I’ll never get how anyone could enjoy this death race. Imagine watching something where you know those majestic, beautiful animals are going to be whipped and some killed in front of your eyes for entertainment and a little flutter. How far have we come from Medieval Times, eh?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jet

I’ll never get how anyone could enjoy this death race. Imagine watching something where you know those majestic, beautiful animals are going to be whipped and some killed in front of your eyes for entertainment and a little flutter. How far have we come from Medieval Times, eh?

Actually this for me.

I adore animals and respect all life.
To breed to risk killing for sport is something I abhor.

Plus the notion they are well looked after is pie in the sky as to some owners.
If they don't deliver on the racecourse, plus once they are more aged and not suitable to race anymore.
Their next fate can be anything from being discarded or sent to slaughter.

I love animals.
The real people wrong yesterday were those glorifying in a race that sees deaths every year now.

Horses are intelligent and beautiful beings.
This race now really is a grand national DISGRACE, it shouldn't be a legitimate race.
That's my view from MY deep love of all animals.
I wouldn't ever risk putting any animal into an event where it COULD more likely be killed.
So I'll take no lectures from those who would and even seem to enjoy seeing it done too.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I agree with you Joey.

I personally feel like the main appeal of the Grand National should be seeing some of the best Horses taking each other on, not how big the fences are.

The best horses would jump the big fences

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The best horses would jump the big fences

The best horses would walk away given the chance Parmy.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The best horses would jump the big fences

Fair enough on that.

But the best Horses can still be celebrated while being safer than it currently is.

I get that the odd incident will happen sadly, but 22 Horses failing to complete the race is more than an incident, especially with 3 of the Horses dead.

[Beso]

Race should have been cancelled.


50 quid it cost me to kill one horse.

[MTVN]

Alf, LT and me are the true animal lovers here I think