[lostalex]

If we are gonna be honest, i don't even remember anything when i was even a toddler, i don't remember having any awareness at all.

I think people need to stop projecting the idea of "consciousness" onto these tiny fetuses. They are not conscious. They arn't even human yet. Cows have more intelligence than a fetus... how many of you are vegetarians? do you eat cow? do you eat beef? if you eat beef then you are eating a creature with thousands of times more self awareness than an aborted fetus.

when you go vegan, then get back to me.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by lostalex

If we are gonna be honest, i don't even remember anything when i was even a toddler, i don't remember having any awareness at all.

I think people need to stop projecting the idea of "consciousness" onto these tiny fetuses. They are not conscious. They arn't even human yet. Cows have more intelligence than a fetus... how many of you are vegetarians? do you eat cow? do you eat beef? if you eat beef then you are eating a creature with thousands of times more self awareness than an aborted fetus.

when you go vegan, then get back to me.

Exactly: they aren't human yet but they will be and deserve a chance to fulfill that status.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

and all of those women you mentioned, were only allowed to be queens because there were no men that could take their place, in all of monarchy's heirarchy's, men were still above women, right?

In fact it was only last year(2012) that the british monarchy finally decided that women should be treated equal to men if the royal couple (wills and kate) have a daughter. right?

thats the monarchys fault not men....again its a battle between rich and poor.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

to answer your last question, it would be impossible for a mother to abort a baby for being gay, because when a woman aborts a fetus it is not a baby. babies are not aborted, and babies are not "murdered" as you like to put it in the abortion process. Fetuses, or in most cases just clusters of cells are aborted. Babies are not aborted. A Baby is an infant human being, and there is no place in the world where murdering babies is legal or accepted in any way, shape, or form.

For someone to murder a baby because they thought it might be gay would of course be a horrible crime. The most horrific of crimes.

Did I answer your question?

yes and in doing so again proved yourself a hypocrite....you dont care about murdering babies, but if its murdered because its potnetially gay then thats horrible? you make no sense.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by the truth

yes and in doing so again proved yourself a hypocrite....you dont care about murdering babies, but if its murdered because its potnetially gay then thats horrible? you make no sense.

that's not what i said.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

that's not what i said.

it is. youre a hypocrite, you hate men and you said no one should ever have sympathy for any man, you called babies leeches and parasites and you think 1 million murdered babies in 6 years is fine and youre more concerned with the word murder than the actual act of murdering these innocent defenceless beautiful babies. obviously many of these murders are lifstyle chpoices, but if you think this murder happened because the mother thought her baby would be gay, then you think thats horrible? forget the other 1 million murdered babies? just the murdered of potentially gay babies is horrible in your opinion?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by the truth

it is. youre a hypocrite, you hate men

umm, I AM a man, so how could i hate men? So i hate myself, and i hate all the men that i have relationships with? You sound ridiculous.

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

but that's just it!, its the mother's choice not your's,you can be deeply in love plan for a baby you are then pregnant, and for whatever reason your partner decide's to end the the pregnancy you have no right's to stop her.

In that unfortunate situation, of course the mother has the final say, it is her body, her choice. Why would you think that your choice should trump hers when it is her body?

Apart from the obvious violation of her rights over her own body - what if she were forced to continue with the pregnancy, there were complictions and she died. That risk and that choice has to be hers alone.