[arista]

This keeps Production Up.


[Apple and Facebook pay women staff to freeze
their eggs because bosses want to keep them working longer
Silicon Valley giants willing to pay £12,500 a time to put eggs on ice
According to NBC, Facebook has already started and Apple will in 2015
One egg-freezing advocate said the move was 'investing in women'
But one academic warned employees may see babies as 'incompatible']


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3GC5QeT7e





http://news.sky.com/story/1353314/ap...eze-staff-eggs


Sign Of The Times

[rubymoo]

I honestly don't know how i feel about this

[arista]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

I honestly don't know how i feel about this

View it like how China
does things.
Of course in China
you can only have one child.


If they loose all these hard working special projects women
so they have a baby
the company gets left behind.


Its a Race To The Top


On Lorraine ITV1HD
The Mirror reporter called it "Sinister"
just now

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by arista

View it like how China
does things.
Of course in China
you can only have one child.


If they loose all these hard working special projects women
so they have a baby
the company gets left behind.


Its a Race To The Top

I know i sound naive.......but that's really quite sad, i know more and more women are putting their careers first, but these same women are also struggling conceiving because they've left it too late, just because eggs are frozen doesn't mean they are going to be viable, and this comes from my experience, i under went fertility treatment and they retrieved 11 eggs, however only 2 became fertilized, they implanted the 2 and lucky for me they took, but i know people who have had countless treatments and still no baby.

Maybe the companies should offer better pay so the women can afford childcare if they want to return to work

[arista]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

I know i sound naive.......but that's really quite sad, i know more and more women are putting their careers first, but these same women are also struggling conceiving because they've left it too late, just because eggs are frozen doesn't mean they are going to be viable, and this comes from my experience, i under went fertility treatment and they retrieved 11 eggs, however only 2 became fertilized, they implanted the 2 and lucky for me they took, but i know people who have had countless treatments and still no baby.

Maybe the companies should offer better pay so the women can afford childcare if they want to return to work

Yes its sad for them.

its is better when younger.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

I know i sound naive.......but that's really quite sad, i know more and more women are putting their careers first, but these same women are also struggling conceiving because they've left it too late, just because eggs are frozen doesn't mean they are going to be viable, and this comes from my experience, i under went fertility treatment and they retrieved 11 eggs, however only 2 became fertilized, they implanted the 2 and lucky for me they took, but i know people who have had countless treatments and still no baby.

Maybe the companies should offer better pay so the women can afford childcare if they want to return to work

I agree ruby.....Ivf didn't work for me and the frozen embryos didn't survive the thaw process so none of the cycles I went through were successful.....it's asking people to gamble their fertility IMO. I wouldn't recommend it

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I agree ruby.....I've didn't work for me and the frozen embryos didn't survive the thaw process so none of the cycles I went through were successful.....it's asking people to gamble their fertility IMO. I wouldn't recommend it

[Niamh.]

I heard about this, this morning, it sounds very much like a weird science fiction movie. It seems a bit messed up really

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I heard about this, this morning, it sounds very much like a weird science fiction movie. It seems a bit messed up really

Its important for Top Leaders
to bring this in
to stay at the Top Level in the World

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by arista

Its important for Top Leaders
to bring this in
to stay at the Top Level in the World

It shouldn't become common place for parents to start having kids at retirement age though imo. It really isn't fair on the children they bring into the world

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It shouldn't become common place for parents to start having kids at retirement age though imo. It really isn't fair on the children they bring into the world

Do not worry
this is California


So its not common place yet

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I heard about this, this morning, it sounds very much like a weird science fiction movie. It seems a bit messed up really

I totally agree. I read this and genuinely thought it was some kind of sick wind-up. I can't believe this is even legal.

[Nedusa]

Disgusting idea.



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[Livia]

No one's forcing these women to take part in this, presumably; no one's being coerced. Some women might want to work and keep their options open to have children later. I know this isn't going to be a popular comment, but I would much rather work with women who have no kids. In the past when I've worked with women who have a family their families quite rightly come first. Consequently those of us who don't have kids end up covering for them when their kids are sick, when their kids have sports day... all kinds of issues. No one's making Microsoft and Apple do this and if women take advantage of it, that's their choice.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

I know this isn't going to be a popular comment, but I would much rather work with women who have no kids. In the past when I've worked with women who have a family their families quite rightly come first. Consequently those of us who don't have kids end up covering for them when their kids are sick, when their kids have sports day... all kinds of issues.

There is a huge difference between what you said above and working on after hours to finish a job, most women and men will take annual leave for child sickness and sports days etc so they will be covering someone else's annual leave at some point.

If you work on after others have left then I assume this has been agreed with management that they can leave? they don't down tools, and can they not be be productive and contribute from home? I work with people who live in the States Germany and Denmark and quite often I get calls before 8am and after 7pm, we teleconference, email and skype, just because I am sat at home doesn't mean I can't do my job! or contribute.

I disagree that you can't have it all, you can have it all if you have a good home support network and a supportive Manager, I really don't see how delaying pregnancy can help someones career, is it really the time to step aside and get pregnant once you hit the top of the ladder I'm trying to envisage a pregnant PM or President...

[Niamh.]

Thankfully in this day and age men in the work force are now sharing the burden with their partners of looking after their kids and taking time off when kids are sick etc etc

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Thankfully in this day and age men in the work force are now sharing the burden with their partners of looking after their kids and taking time off when kids are sick etc etc

Not only that.....I assume people without children take holidays too and those with children have to cover their work then....they also take sick days....etc etc...some of the worst "sickie chuckers" in my experience don't do it due to kids....

But on the other handi agree with Livia, in if it's not a prerequisite of getting a position with these companies I guess it's each to their own....

[Livia]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Not only that.....I assume people without children take holidays too and those with children have to cover their work then....they also take sick days....etc etc...some of the worst "sickie chuckers" in my experience don't do it due to kids....

But on the other handi agree with Livia, in if it's not a prerequisite of getting a position with these companies I guess it's each to their own....

I'm not having a pop at all women with kids (Annie and Niamh)... it's just that in my own personal experience it's happened that I've ended up covering for a couple of women who "want it all". It's a generalisation I know... but I've worked no end of evenings and weekends where the women with kids have to get home, but still think they should be in with a shot when promotions and raises roll round.

I'm not sure the egg freezing thing would be for me, but it sounds like an option some women would probably want to consider.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm not having a pop at all women with kids (Annie and Niamh)... it's just that in my own personal experience it's happened that I've ended up covering for a couple of women who "want it all". It's a generalisation I know... but I've worked no end of evenings and weekends where the women with kids have to get home, but still think they should be in with a shot when promotions and raises roll round.

I'm not sure the egg freezing thing would be for me, but it sounds like an option some women would probably want to consider.

Yeah I mean fair enough if women want to do that, it just sounds a bit science fictionish to me when you hear businesses are offering to pay for it for their employees Also, my concerns about it becoming common place for old-elderly people trying to raise kids

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm not having a pop at all women with kids (Annie and Niamh)... it's just that in my own personal experience it's happened that I've ended up covering for a couple of women who "want it all". It's a generalisation I know... but I've worked no end of evenings and weekends where the women with kids have to get home, but still think they should be in with a shot when promotions and raises roll round.

I'm not sure the egg freezing thing would be for me, but it sounds like an option some women would probably want to consider.

Who forced you to work these extra hours? and I assume you got paid overtime for them

[Crimson Dynamo]

We had our first air frost the other night and my eggs were freezing, I can tell you.

[user104658]

Meh. All sounds a bit selfish, to me. It's an either-or situation, you should choose the high-flying career OR to settle down to cosy family life. The two are inherently incompatible. For both women AND men. Men, with children, who spend their lives in high-flying careers, working longer-than-normal hours, on constant business trips, and then still sat working at home / always available over the phone... are being **** dads when it comes to small children. Many might find that harsh but it's something I truly believe.

If you really want to do both (again, women OR men), have kids YOUNG and start your career path when they're a little bit older.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Meh. All sounds a bit selfish, to me. It's an either-or situation, you should choose the high-flying career OR to settle down to cosy family life. The two are inherently incompatible. For both women AND men. Men, with children, who spend their lives in high-flying careers, working longer-than-normal hours, on constant business trips, and then still sat working at home / always available over the phone... are being **** dads when it comes to small children. Many might find that harsh but it's something I truly believe.

If you really want to do both (again, women OR men), have kids YOUNG and start your career path when they're a little bit older.

Yes on FoxNewsHD on a new
all woman show (4 women , 1 guest man)
Stacey Dash (actress) has had 4 husbands
she can not hold a man down , sadly.
She Trys to have it all
without a man
thats America.
She even breaks down on Live TV

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes on FoxNewsHD on a new
all woman show (4 women , 1 guest man)
Stacey Dash (actress) has had 4 husbands
she can not hold a man down , sadly.
She Trys to have it all
without a man
thats America.
She even breaks down on Live TV

I could teach her how to restrain one.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Meh. All sounds a bit selfish, to me. It's an either-or situation, you should choose the high-flying career OR to settle down to cosy family life. The two are inherently incompatible. For both women AND men. Men, with children, who spend their lives in high-flying careers, working longer-than-normal hours, on constant business trips, and then still sat working at home / always available over the phone... are being **** dads when it comes to small children. Many might find that harsh but it's something I truly believe.

If you really want to do both (again, women OR men), have kids YOUNG and start your career path when they're a little bit older.

I've read through all the posts now, and I have to say that I agree most with this one.

I think it is possible to have a family and a job, but there is a line.

I expect most people would agree that if a couple had 12 children it would be quite difficult for them to also both have careers, so by that reasoning, if a couple have really high-powered jobs it would be quite difficult for them to have a family.

I think we live in an age where 'having it all' is expected, and it is just too damn hard in my view. I think men and women need to accept that certain sacrifices have to be made if you are to have a family and be able to balance that with the jobs you both do.