[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

So you don't believe any "opinions" exist? Only facts. And people are either educated on the facts or not.

Really?

It must be great to live in such a black and white world. You could get a discount on your TV licence.

Someone didn't learn the difference between fact and opinion at school.

[puzzled]

I don't know how non-bi people have the gall to tell people who are bi that they aren't. Biggins really should know better. After all, he lived in an era when people denied that people were born gay, but they chose to be gay. I'm older than Biggins, so I don't give him a pass.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Originally Posted by puzzled

I don't know how non-bi people have the gall to tell people who are bi that they aren't. Biggins really should know better. After all, he lived in an era when people denied that people were born gay, but they chose to be gay. I'm older than Biggins, so I don't give him a pass.

i wish every parent would be as wise as you we would have an amazing generation

[puzzled]

Originally Posted by MelihV

i wish every parent would be as wise as you we would have an amazing generation

I think that the younger generations are getting better and better in terms of acceptance and inclusivity.

[MB.]

Well, here comes The Guardian

[Crimson Dynamo]

Iv not checked but any actual evidence in this thread to say he is wrong specifically or is it all just standard guesswork based on prejudice?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Iv not checked but any actual evidence in this thread to say he is wrong specifically or is it all just standard guesswork based on prejudice?

Not really a question of evidence, Bi people know what they are and what they aren't, they don't need bigoted arseholes like Biggins dictating their sexuality to them.

[hot2go]

Biggins is 67 years old....he didn't grow up in the world young people know today...his generation fought all the way to make that world a safer place for gay people today ..he remembers what it was like to be gay in the 60s when it was still illegal...he lived through the 80s when being gay was seen as a death sentence and it took courage to admit you were gay when everyone else around you hated your guts and was scared of you.
His remark about bisexuals comes directly from those experiences....in the past when a lot of gay guys were taking it up the aisle and pretending to play happy families, Biggins and many like him were fighting for equality so of course he doesn't respect the concept of bisexuality....even today a lot of gay men live straight lives and use gay guys for sex on the side.
That is his perspective and I can see how it would be. If he was 25 and saying that it would be totally odd but he's 67 and people should consider his age and the era he grew up in before judging him.

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Biggins is 67 years old....he didn't grow up in the world young people know today...his generation fought all the way to make that world a safer place for gay people today ..he remembers what it was like to be gay in the 60s when it was still illegal...he lived through the 80s when being gay was seen as a death sentence and it took courage to admit you were gay when everyone else around you hated your guts and was scared of you.
His remark about bisexuals comes directly from those experiences....in the past when a lot of gay guys were taking it up the aisle and pretending to play happy families, Biggins and many like him were fighting for equality so of course he doesn't respect the concept of bisexuality....even today a lot of gay men live straight lives and use gay guys for sex on the side.
That is his perspective and I can see how it would be. If he was 25 and saying that it would be totally odd but he's 67 and people should consider his age and the era he grew up in before judging him.

I think there is a lot of sense in what you say, he is also from an era where it wasn't discussed, certainly from an era where porn wasn't all over the internet and "lesbianism" wasn't something for guys to drool over. I do feel that in SOME cases bisexuality is used as a byword for experimentation, and also that an audience wants to see someone swinging both ways, though admittedly, again, that is for the girl on girl.

I also feel that exposure hasn't necessarily been a bad thing in that it has shown an acceptance of those that are bisexual...and I feel that the genuine bisexuals are those like Sam Fox who openly say that they fall in love with a person, not a gender.

Yes, experiment, why not? But unless you can see yourself in a long lasting, loving relationship with a member of either sex, without really minding which, please do not rush to label yourself as bisexual for the cool factor, when it's just experimentation, because it clouds the issue even more.

This from me, who doesn't think it's anyone else's business, let alone a topic for the media, what you like to do.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Anaesthesia

I think there is a lot of sense in what you say, he is also from an era where it wasn't discussed, certainly from an era where porn wasn't all over the internet and "lesbianism" wasn't something for guys to drool over. I do feel that in SOME cases bisexuality is used as a byword for experimentation, and also that an audience wants to see someone swinging both ways, though admittedly, again, that is for the girl on girl.

I also feel that exposure hasn't necessarily been a bad thing in that it has shown an acceptance of those that are bisexual...and I feel that the genuine bisexuals are those like Sam Fox who openly say that they fall in love with a person, not a gender.

Yes, experiment, why not? But unless you can see yourself in a long lasting, loving relationship with a member of either sex, without really minding which, please do not rush to label yourself as bisexual for the cool factor, when it's just experimentation, because it clouds the issue even more.

This from me, who doesn't think it's anyone else's business, let alone a topic for the media, what you like to do.

Great post

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Biggins is 67 years old....he didn't grow up in the world young people know today...his generation fought all the way to make that world a safer place for gay people today ..he remembers what it was like to be gay in the 60s when it was still illegal...he lived through the 80s when being gay was seen as a death sentence and it took courage to admit you were gay when everyone else around you hated your guts and was scared of you.
His remark about bisexuals comes directly from those experiences....in the past when a lot of gay guys were taking it up the aisle and pretending to play happy families, Biggins and many like him were fighting for equality so of course he doesn't respect the concept of bisexuality....even today a lot of gay men live straight lives and use gay guys for sex on the side.
That is his perspective and I can see how it would be. If he was 25 and saying that it would be totally odd but he's 67 and people should consider his age and the era he grew up in before judging him.

Biggins isn't some shut-away old man so being 67 isn't an excuse. He's taken part in enough Pride and LGBT events to be aware of Bisexuality and the modern world around him, and to adapt his views just like many other people from his era have, but he's obviously chosen not to. If he's going to chose to be prejudiced and ignorant then he's open to being criticised for it imo.

[lewis111]

You can't allow people to insult a huge group of people then just be like "aww it's jut cause he's old he doesn't understand" We need to stop accepting homophobia and biphobia(apparently that's the word) in a way we don't with racism etc You wouldn't blame age on that if something was said

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by lewis111

You can't allow people to insult a huge group of people then just be like "aww it's jut cause he's old he doesn't understand" We need to stop accepting homophobia and biphobia(apparently that's the word) in a way we don't with racism etc You wouldn't blame age on that if something was said

[hot2go]

When that bitch Thatcher made gay a dirty word, when she banned the mention of it in schools, when she introduced clause 28, when her and Raegans propaganda turned the world against the gay community just at the point they needed to be loved the most, when the US government and their multi nationals made billions of dollars using AIDS victims as Guinea pigs it was gay men and women who stood up and were counted....they were the brave ones...most of the bisexual men acted like cowards and left the rest of us to it.....the world has moved on to a better place now and Biggins hasn't moved on with it but I can understand his perspective....he prob has very few good personal experiences of bisexual men and therefore very poor opinions of them. I don't like the guy, never have, but I can understand why he holds his views about it. It's easy for young people to say there is no excuse when they haven't lived through the nightmare of those times.

[caprimint]

Yeah I can't get down with the whole 'age' thing. The amount of years you've lived for is absolutely no excuse. It all comes down to how ignorant the person is at the end of the day.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by lovebigbrotheruk

"Bisexuals are people who don't want to admit to being gay".

Wtf?

How ignorant can you be?

It is a tad hypocritical of him as he used to be married to a woman.

[Withano]

Does make you wonder how highly people think of themselves when they really believe that they can be right about millions of other people but millions of people are wrong about themselves.

Get your head out of your asses, you just havent educated yourself on basic human sexuality.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Withano

Does make you wonder how highly people think of themselves when they really believe that they can be right about millions of other people but millions of people are wrong about themselves.

Get your head out of your asses, you just havent educated yourself on basic human sexuality.

Psst. I am right when I say millions of religious people are deluded to believe a god actually exists.

Do you see? Large numbers of people can get it very wrong.

So lets see this actual scientific proof that biggins is wrong. I can't wait for this.

[Marsh.]

The baiting in here is so damn desperate.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

The baiting in here is so damn desperate.

She blocked me at one point, it was awesome. Dont know why she unblocked me tbh

[Jack_]

Let's not entertain this bull**** again lol

[Marsh.]

So believing in an unknown/unseen God is being compared to knowing whether or not you want to **** men or women?

Is this guy serious?

[bots]

Biggins made a generalisation, and by definition, a generalisation is inherently inaccurate, with a high probability of error. It doesn't mean he was wrong, just not very accurate.

[Marsh.]

I could say I think all straight men are actually repulsed by vaginas and only pretend to like them. Doesn't make that "opinion" in anyway accurate.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I could say I think all straight men are actually repulsed by vaginas and only pretend to like them. Doesn't make that "opinion" in anyway accurate.

Nobody is claiming he is accurate.

I don't know if he is right or not. It is his opinion. Simple as that. In the absence of actual proof, it is just a matter of opinion.