[Smithy]

Absolutely diabolical, South Korea has a population of 55 million and only has 144 deaths, acting like 20,000 deaths is a good result is disgusting. The government ignored the WHO’s advice and should be held accountable


(I know there’s a corona thread but it’s fast moving and I think this is an important topic)

[arista]

"20,000"

Yes not a good way to talk of this
Covid 19.

Thats a way High amount.

Johnson PM
Dragged his bloody feet

[bots]

i think it's important that experts are realistic in the numbers they present to us.

Just to put it in to perspective. If we had done nothing, the expected death toll would have been 500,000, if we had kept to basic social distancing, the death rate would be 250,000

Other countries may have done better in the short term because they were more rigorous with isolation, but they are all seeing rises again now. They haven't beaten it yet ... nothing like it

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think it's important that experts are realistic in the numbers they present to us.

Just to put it in to perspective. If we had done nothing, the expected death toll would have been 500,000, if we had kept to basic social distancing, the death rate would be 250,000

Other countries may have done better in the short term because they were more rigorous with isolation, but they are all seeing rises again now. They haven't beaten it yet ... nothing like it

If we had done more the death toll would be much lower, just because it’s not astronomical doesn’t mean 20,000 deaths is good

[MTVN]

That would be in the ball park of seasonal flu deaths so yes a good outcome. And many of those who will die with Covid would likely have died this year even without the virus. Most of the Western world will experience the same so the chances of us somehow uniquely avoiding a high death count were very slim. I know that Korea has been able to control the outbreak better but they were much better equipped from the beginning because of the Sars outbreak a few years ago. It is better to compare us to other European countries rather than Asian ones

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

That would be in the ball park of seasonal flu deaths so yes a good outcome. And many of those who will die with Covid would likely have died this year even without the virus. Most of the Western world will experience the same so the chances of us somehow uniquely avoiding a high death count were very slim. I know that Korea has been able to control the outbreak better but they were much better equipped from the beginning because of the Sars outbreak a few years ago. It is better to compare us to other European countries rather than Asian ones

How are we to know that is inclusive of those who die of seasonal flu?

I don't understand how Asian countries should be expected to be better equipped, we had contingency planning for SARS and MERS too.
Every country knew the dangers of a pandemic, it would be better to say that our response knowing the seriousness of the threat was seriously lacking.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think it's important that experts are realistic in the numbers they present to us.

Just to put it in to perspective. If we had done nothing, the expected death toll would have been 500,000, if we had kept to basic social distancing, the death rate would be 250,000

Other countries may have done better in the short term because they were more rigorous with isolation, but they are all seeing rises again now. They haven't beaten it yet ... nothing like it

So the experts are at fault? Not the initial botched approach from this govt?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So the experts are at fault? Not the initial botched approach from this govt?

100% Johnson PM
is at fault
he had Harder warnings
ignored them.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

100% Johnson PM
is at fault
he had Harder warnings
ignored them.

Not only did he ignore, he was willing to let it run through the population unchecked at one point.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Not only did he ignore, he was willing to let it run through the population unchecked at one point.

Yes more will Die
because Johnson PM
early on Dragged his Feet

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

100% Johnson PM
is at fault
he had Harder warnings
ignored them.

Yep this has been floating about since January I've read, his pig headed ideas on herd immunity have cost countless lives.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yep this has been floating about since January I've read, his pig headed ideas on herd immunity have cost countless lives.

Yes Johnson PM
Guilty as charged.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by arista

100% Johnson PM
is at fault
he had Harder warnings
ignored them.

DRAG HIM Arista

[arista]

Originally Posted by Smithy

DRAG HIM Arista

You Are Most Wise
Smithy.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

100% Johnson PM
is at fault
he had Harder warnings
ignored them.

I think that's a bit harsh arista,he has been taking advice from health ministers etc,is he supposed to ignore them ? very unfair to solely blame him aswell, he did what he was told and thought best, NONE of these countries know the outcome and neither do we,there is no proof that more people have died than would have, the president of the nursing staff who works in London,said they have everything they need and things are getting through, its all well and good us all sitting back blaming and saying what we should do ,we are as much in the dark as anyone,this thing will take people and no one will be able to stop it,all we can do is try and do as we are asked and support those in charge who have a thankless job to do at the minute,they wont get everything right ,no one would,but they are doing the best they can,cut them some slack and be helpful.Its been explained several times why the lockdown was done when it was and not straight away,that seems like a pretty reasonable thing to me. imo.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I think that's a bit harsh arista,he has been taking advice from health ministers etc,is he supposed to ignore them ? very unfair to solely blame him aswell, he did what he was told and thought best, NONE of these countries know the outcome and neither do we,there is no proof that more people have died than would have, the president of the nursing staff who works in London,said they have everything they need and things are getting through, its all well and good us all sitting back blaming and saying what we should do ,we are as much in the dark as anyone,this thing will take people and no one will be able to stop it,all we can do is try and do as we are asked and support those in charge who have a thankless job to do at the minute,they wont get everything right ,no one would,but they are doing the best they can,cut them some slack and be helpful.Its been explained several times why the lockdown was done when it was and not straight away,that seems like a pretty reasonable thing to me. imo.

Just to give you some further info on this line about how he's taking advice. When experts, ministers, or anyone else is providing advice, they don't say that he should do one thing or another, they only provide options with pros and cons. It is then the choice of the leader to pick the option he thinks is best.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Absolutely diabolical, South Korea has a population of 55 million and only has 144 deaths, acting like 20,000 deaths is a good result is disgusting. The government ignored the WHO’s advice and should be held accountable


(I know there’s a corona thread but it’s fast moving and I think this is an important topic)

I agree.

Also it's probably best for that guy to apologise and come up with a much lower number and make out that the original statistic was a "mistake" so that people don't panic.

I'd say 5,000 deaths or something around that mark if I was him.

[DouglasS]

It’s harsh to say but that probably is a good outcome. You can not prevent people dieing if people do not follow instructions

You also can not compare Asia to Europe in my opinion, the cultures are different and in Asia people typically listen to their governments instruction/are less rebellious, which is why China has succeeded so well.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

It’s harsh to say but that probably is a good outcome. You can not prevent people dieing if people do not follow instructions

You CAN prevent people dying if you (as a government) act quicker though

[James]

Why don't they impose lockdowns and testing programmes to reduce the number that die of flu every year?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by James

Why don't they impose lockdowns and testing programmes to reduce the number that die of flu every year?

You are able to have a flu jab for seasonal flu, there's no vaccine for this.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by James

Why don't they impose lockdowns and testing programmes to reduce the number that die of flu every year?

Because there are new flu vaccines every year that provide a layer of protection to the most at risk.

[James]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You are able to have a flu jab for seasonal flu, there's no vaccine for this.

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Because there are new flu vaccines every year that provide a layer of protection to the most at risk.

But it still kills about 18,000 people a year and that could be reduced with stronger measures.

Also there's years when the flu vaccine is not well matched to the strain that is going about, and it doesn't do much good. More about that here -
https://www.insider.com/how-effective-is-the-flu-shot

[arista]

Originally Posted by James

But it still kills about 18,000 people a year and that could be reduced with stronger measures.

Also there's years when the flu vaccine is not well matched to the strain that is going about, and it doesn't do much good. More about that here -
https://www.insider.com/how-effective-is-the-flu-shot

add Worldwide?
how can you miss saying Worldwide

[James]

Originally Posted by arista

add Worldwide?

Influenza spreads around the world in yearly outbreaks, resulting in about three to five million cases of severe illness and about 290,000 to 650,000 deaths.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza