[Parmy]

My hands are more pickled than my liver.

Because the hands are important.

[Tom4784]

Anyone that would kick up a fuss about wearing a mask for ten minutes while they do their shopping is a selfish child.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Anyone that would kick up a fuss about wearing a mask for ten minutes while they do their shopping is a selfish child.

Absolutely.

Far better to wear a mask or facecovering, than have to be connected up to a ventilator or even help put someone else on a ventilator.

[AnnieK]

The annoying thing with people who are refusing to wear the fave coverings is that when you wear them they actually protect other people more than the wearer so if they are refusing to wear one it is other people, rather than themselves that they are putting at risk. Its not a big ask to cover your nose and mouth with a piece of cloth just when you're in a shop. People who have been shielding have not been able to leave their homes at all for 16 weeks....they have borne the isolation from family and friends and boredom and loneliness and now want to be safe when they venture to the shops. Don't take away that freedom for them by risking a second, more severe wave in the Autumn.

[bots]

i don't see it as any different from the smoking ban in public places. It amounts to the same thing. Smokers were putting others health at risk now those not wearing masks are doing the same

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i don't see it as any different from the smoking ban in public places. It amounts to the same thing. Smokers were putting others health at risk now those not wearing masks are doing the same

Agreed. I was talking to my dad about it (he had to shield) and he likened it to back in the 80s when they made seatbelt wearing law. He said that just about everyone he knew then kicked off saying they shouldn't be forced to wear one....now its second nature to get in and belt up. Hopefully people will see that this is the right thing to do for safety and will just do it

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

The annoying thing with people who are refusing to wear the fave coverings is that when you wear them they actually protect other people more than the wearer so if they are refusing to wear one it is other people, rather than themselves that they are putting at risk. Its not a big ask to cover your nose and mouth with a piece of cloth just when you're in a shop. People who have been shielding have not been able to leave their homes at all for 16 weeks....they have borne the isolation from family and friends and boredom and loneliness and now want to be safe when they venture to the shops. Don't take away that freedom for them by risking a second, more severe wave in the Autumn.

...I would do anything for life..(...to help preserve it..)...but I won’t do that..?....

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[Parmy]

Things just dont make sense to me..

I'm out in the van today and I've passed 2a learner drivers sat with the instructor in a car with the windows up and no face coverings...surely that is more dangerous than a supermarket!

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Things just dont make sense to me..

I'm out in the van today and I've passed 2a learner drivers sat with the instructor in a car with the windows up and no face coverings...surely that is more dangerous than a supermarket!

My friends husband is a driving instructor and he said all instructors and learners should wear correct PPE. They have to talk when facing forward, not face to face, no air con but the vehicle must be ventilated, no handshakes and the car sanitised between each learner taking extra care where anyone could touch. The ones you have seen are obviously not following the rules. Every learner I have spotted round here have had masks on

[The Slim Reaper]

[James]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Things just dont make sense to me..

I'm out in the van today and I've passed 2a learner drivers sat with the instructor in a car with the windows up and no face coverings...surely that is more dangerous than a supermarket!

Originally Posted by AnnieK

My friends husband is a driving instructor and he said all instructors and learners should wear correct PPE. They have to talk when facing forward, not face to face, no air con but the vehicle must be ventilated, no handshakes and the car sanitised between each learner taking extra care where anyone could touch. The ones you have seen are obviously not following the rules. Every learner I have spotted round here have had masks on

If you cover your nose it can cause your glasses to steam up, which isn't a good idea for driving.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Things just dont make sense to me..

I'm out in the van today and I've passed 2a learner drivers sat with the instructor in a car with the windows up and no face coverings...surely that is more dangerous than a supermarket!

They are both meant to be wearing face coverings

[Cherie]

I went to get my haircut today and the stylist came at me to put the gown on with no face covering, I told her I would put the gown on myself I hate all that helping with the gown anyway, then she led me to a chair, when I asked where her visor was, she said she had it when she was with clients, I said you are with one now and off she went and got it...they haven been open that long to get complacent in my book

[Tom4784]

Someone else's stupidity in not wearing a mask when they should doesn't justify selfishness in not wearing a mask in shops.

[Smithy]

I saw a good analogy on Twitter that said during the Blitz people were told to turn their lights off to stop germans bombing them, nobody turned round and said “it’s my right to keep my lights ON”

[Nicky91]

imagine those against face masks bringing up something silly as ''civil rights''

it is either you wearing a face mask, or you stay at home and never leave your home

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

imagine those against face masks bringing up something silly as ''civil rights''

it is either you wearing a face mask, or you stay at home and never leave your home

So you would force someone with underlying health conditions to wear a mask even though it could kill them and if they refused you would have them starve at home, yeah?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So you would force someone with underlying health conditions to wear a mask even though it could kill them and if they refused you would have them starve at home, yeah?

There are exemptions though for people who are unable to physically wear a mask. The people I have seen saying they won't wear them is not because of medical issues, its because they don't want to.

You do not need to wear a face covering if you have a legitimate reason not to. This includes:

young children under the age of 11
not being able to put on, wear or remove a face covering because of a physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability
if putting on, wearing or removing a face covering will cause you severe distress
if you are travelling with or providing assistance to someone who relies on lip reading to communicate
to avoid harm or injury, or the risk of harm or injury, to yourself or others
to avoid injury, or to escape a risk of harm, and you do not have a face covering with you
to eat or drink, but only if you need to
to take medication
if a police officer or other official requests you remove your face covering

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-make-your-own

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So you would force someone with underlying health conditions to wear a mask even though it could kill them and if they refused you would have them starve at home, yeah?

no, i'd say provide them with food, medical supplies, put that in front of their frontdoor

those people need extra care in crisis times like these

[Tom4784]

Masks have been proven not to affect breathing so for the vast majority of people, it shouldn't be a problem.

If the average person is whining about wearing a mask, they're just being a tart about it.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Masks have been proven not to affect breathing so for the vast majority of people, it shouldn't be a problem.

If the average person is whining about wearing a mask, they're just being a tart about it.

Mask dont effect breathing.. what kind of pish is this .

of course they restrict breathing somewhat or there would be no point in bloody wearing one if they didnt.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Mask dont effect breathing.. what kind of pish is this .

of course they restrict breathing somewhat or there would be no point in bloody wearing one if they didnt.

It's quite simple, they don't block O2 particles but they help block out far larger Covid particles.

There's no reason for the average person to not wear a mask, it's ignorant, selfish and childish not to.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Mask dont effect breathing.. what kind of pish is this .

of course they restrict breathing somewhat or there would be no point in bloody wearing one if they didnt.

They restrict the propulsion of your lurgy, they don't affect your breathing. How many surgeons have you ever heard of that had to be carried out of an operating theatre due to breathing difficulties caused by masks?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Mask dont effect breathing.. what kind of pish is this .

of course they restrict breathing somewhat or there would be no point in bloody wearing one if they didnt.

Covid-19 is not an airborne virus, you catch it from droplets and particles. The air passes through, the droplets and particles are blocked.

[user104658]

They don't physically restrict breathing so the argument that it "could kill you" is just nonsense.

The only valid reason someone might not wear one is if they have an intellectual or learning disability that means they are unable to understand why they need to keep it on and keep touching or removing it (which would be worse than not wearing one at all). My youngest obviously doesn't understand about Covid or infection control for example. Thankfully she is a little copycat so if her sister is wearing one, she would be furious about NOT also wearing one. Not that they come in shops often anyway these days, just if they need to use the bathroom etc.

There are also people who have panic disorders that are triggered by having something covering their face. I have sympathy for that too. BUT it's very rare and the number of people claiming they can't handle it is ridiculous. Feeling a bit uncomfortable/anxious is not the same thing AT ALL as a full-scale panic disorder ffs.

People are just unwilling and being defiant to be honest. Won't try it at all, or won't try various different options etc. For example, my wife (being in community healthcare) has a stash of disposable masks in her car; I find them absolutely awful to wear. They make me feel claustrophobic and they make my face itch. But I have my own cloth masks (decent quality ones) that are fine, don't even notice that I'm wearing one after a few minutes.