[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i get that it's a short period of time, but even the shops that have had to close understand that people will just buy what they need online. So the local councils need to ask themselves if they want the money that people would have spent in local shops going to local residents or an international company like Amazon

There is business support for those affected, this is a means to an end. Personally I think it's very fair that if the non essential shops have to close then the supermarkets (themselves faceless corporations) don't cash in.
Maybe these things can still be purchased with your online food shop or click and collect though if desperate . I'm aware not everyone has that facility however if they don't they won't be ordering from amazon either will they?

[thesheriff443]

Tesco in Wales not selling sanatary products as they are not essential.

[arista]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Tesco in Wales not selling sanitary products as they are not essential.

Fury as Tesco in Wales bans sale of tampons

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...end-chaos.html

[arista]

[thesheriff443]

Absolutely ridiculous

[The Slim Reaper]

Tesco have deleted that tweet, because it's not true.

[Liam-]

Our government have told supermarkets to use their discretion, they haven’t been told what to sell or not

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It was a mistake, and has been clarified.

Originally Posted by Liam-

Our government have told supermarkets to use their discretion, they haven’t been told what to sell or not

Well that's the point isn't it, when you hand out vague-as-**** "guidelines" that are clear as mud and expect a Supermarket manager whose qualifications amount to 3 GCSE's and 20 years in retail to make the final judgement call, mistakes are going to be made.

Clear guidance on what is or isn't to be sold, or allow the full product range of stores that are open. It should be relatively simple but it seems everyone wants to pass the buck when it comes to responsibility.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well that's the point isn't it, when you hand out vague-as-**** "guidelines" that are clear as mud and expect a Supermarket manager whose qualifications amount to 3 GCSE's and 20 years in retail to make the final judgement call, mistakes are going to be made.

Clear guidance on what is or isn't to be sold, or allow the full product range of stores that are open. It should be relatively simple but it seems everyone wants to pass the buck when it comes to responsibility.

Here is an apology from tesco

Tesco spokesperson told Manchester Evening News: "Of course sanitary products are essential items and are available to customers in all of our stores, including those in Wales. The reply to this customer was sent by mistake and we’re very sorry for any confusion caused.”

I don't know how qualifications are relevant here, and if you have 20yrs experience in retail you'd think it would be in your nature to want to sell more, not less.

It was a mistake, they are made expecially during unforseen pandemics. I think we're being whipped up onto a frenzy about this Welsh lock down so there isn't a call for one here.
The knee jerk reaction is going to be no, regardless of whether or not it's needed.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Here is an apology from tesco

Tesco spokesperson told Manchester Evening News: "Of course sanitary products are essential items and are available to customers in all of our stores, including those in Wales. The reply to this customer was sent by mistake and we’re very sorry for any confusion caused.”

I don't know how qualifications are relevant here, and if you have 20yrs experience in retail you'd think it would be in your nature to want to sell more, not less.

It was a mistake, they are made expecially during unforseen pandemics. I think we're being whipped up onto a frenzy about this Welsh lock down so there isn't a call for one here.
The knee jerk reaction is going to be no, regardless of whether or not it's needed.

Yes it was a mistake, as I said with mistakes being inevitable when everyone is passing the buck and refusing to give clear, simple guidance and leaving the decision down to people who are not qualified to make such decisions, and based on absolutely nothing other than gut feeling. There is no science at all behind this.

And qualifications of course are absolutely relevant here. A supermarket management team, you may expect, will have vast experience in staff management, stock ordering, budgeting, security concerns, cleanliness and hygiene, store layouts... all sorts of things that are relevant to their job.

They have no relevant knowledge or experience whatsoever in making executive decisions about which products should or shouldn't be considered essential purchases. You might as well ask the next person you pass in the street. The scope for subjectivity is so massive that it just becomes ridiculous, and that is evident from the number of "mistakes" that have been made already.

Again; there needs to be clear, simple, cohesive guidance on which aisles should be closed coming from the people calling for closures (in this case, the Welsh government) OR shops should simply continue to sell their whole range whilst encouraging customers not to "window shop".

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes it was a mistake, as I said with mistakes being inevitable when everyone is passing the buck and refusing to give clear, simple guidance and leaving the decision down to people who are not qualified to make such decisions, and based on absolutely nothing other than gut feeling. There is no science at all behind this.

And qualifications of course are absolutely relevant here. A supermarket management team, you may expect, will have vast experience in staff management, stock ordering, budgeting, security concerns, cleanliness and hygiene, store layouts... all sorts of things that are relevant to their job.

They have no relevant knowledge or experience whatsoever in making executive decisions about which products should or shouldn't be considered essential purchases. You might as well ask the next person you pass in the street. The scope for subjectivity is so massive that it just becomes ridiculous, and that is evident from the number of "mistakes" that have been made already.

Again; there needs to be clear, simple, cohesive guidance on which aisles should be closed coming from the people calling for closures (in this case, the Welsh government) OR shops should simply continue to sell their whole range whilst encouraging customers not to "window shop".

the other side of it is why should a shopper have to justify a purchase to a shop worker.

I know people are looking to find fault in it now and that comes from the less than 100% commitment to the circuit break. If they repeat it again later in the year i can see there being a revolt

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes it was a mistake, as I said with mistakes being inevitable when everyone is passing the buck and refusing to give clear, simple guidance and leaving the decision down to people who are not qualified to make such decisions, and based on absolutely nothing other than gut feeling. There is no science at all behind this.

And qualifications of course are absolutely relevant here. A supermarket management team, you may expect, will have vast experience in staff management, stock ordering, budgeting, security concerns, cleanliness and hygiene, store layouts... all sorts of things that are relevant to their job.

They have no relevant knowledge or experience whatsoever in making executive decisions about which products should or shouldn't be considered essential purchases. You might as well ask the next person you pass in the street. The scope for subjectivity is so massive that it just becomes ridiculous, and that is evident from the number of "mistakes" that have been made already.

Again; there needs to be clear, simple, cohesive guidance on which aisles should be closed coming from the people calling for closures (in this case, the Welsh government) OR shops should simply continue to sell their whole range whilst encouraging customers not to "window shop".

Science..., which science tells you what items to sell during a lock down?

Again your reference to qualifications makes no sense in the context of the topic covid essential items. You appear to have contradicted your earlier '3 GCSE' comments by now admitting that managers are indeed intelligent to be able to run stores effectively.

Yes there have been one or two errors but we are in unchartered territory here, I think there's a review today so maybe later they'll be greater transparency on what is and isn't available?

[bots]

the welsh government have now told supermarkets to use their discretion .... carefully avoiding any responsibility

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the welsh government have now told supermarkets to use their discretion .... carefully avoiding any responsibility

looks like some don't think brushing your teeth is a twice daily ocurrence so this should be fun

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

looks like some don't think brushing your teeth is a twice daily ocurrence so this should be fun

Eh. where did toothpaste come into this?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Eh. where did toothpaste come into this?

some health and beauty aisles were condoned off which included sanitary products and toothpaste its in one of the links

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

some health and beauty aisles were condoned off which included sanitary products and toothpaste its in one of the links

Yes that's already been clarified, the clarification is in the link you posted.

[Tom4784]

The welsh government seems to have been a little dumb in their approach to this.

It should have just been decorating stuff, shops that don't sell any essentials, beauty stuff etc. Sanitary products, basic clothing and stuff for repairs and such shouldn't be considered non-essential.

I think cutting off non-essential aisles is absolutely the right thing to do, but a lot of the stuff they're cutting off are essentials.

[Tom4784]

It should all be common sense, really. If you go into, say, Tesco. You'd probably cut off the decorating stuff, garden stuff (as in furniture, flowers etc, not stuff for repairs of fences or whatever), Christmas and Halloween stuff, etc.

People should only really be going out to get essentials they need in the moment. Anything else can be ordered online.