[MTVN]

It was a pretty cynical stunt by Salmond, which apart from anything else was a breach of Wimbledon rules what a tit

[LikeABoatOnWater]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Omg

Could you show me these statistics please?

http://money.uk.msn.com/blog/pounds-...5-32315c9e8f8a

[arista]

Originally Posted by LikeABoatOnWater

Get scotland out, get scotland out.

No its Free Scotland
let them stand on their own feet

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It was a pretty cynical stunt by Salmond, which apart from anything else was a breach of Wimbledon rules what a tit

Yes and what Luck
the PM was below him

[Lee.]

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/th...8-union-public

[arista]

Originally Posted by Lee.

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/th...8-union-public

"Scotland pays its way in the Union - it's time the London commentariat acknowledged that."



Yes Lee
a Very Valid Point

[Z]

Alex Salmond being a cock as per usual. I hate him.

[LikeABoatOnWater]

oh and can we start building hadrian's wall 2.0 now, so scotland and the uk pay 50% each. I don't want the uk to have to build it all by themselves in a few years time when all the staving scots invade northern england looting for food, because there country has gone tits up.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LikeABoatOnWater

oh and can we start building hadrian's wall 2.0 now, so scotland and the uk pay 50% each. I don't want the uk to have to build it all by themselves in a few years time when all the staving scots invade northern england looting for food, because there country has gone tits up.

No Wall needed

Scotland can be used to Import goods
(less tax to pay)


Then bring stocks down by train and roads

[arista]

Originally Posted by Zee

Alex Salmond being a cock as per usual. I hate him.

No Zee
he is helping the Young in Scotland

[Nedusa]

I think the Scots should have complete independance and let them be in control of their Country in EVERY way. Out would go the free prescriptions, out would go the free further education, out would go the massive subsidies it currently receives from Westminister but it would be free and could set up its own economy with its own currency.

Of course it would have to re-negotiate its entry into the EU that might take a while and it would have to pay its own benefits to its unemployed etc... BUT I think Scotland deserves the chance to go it alone instead of being tethered to the England for the last 200 plus years.........!!!!

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I think the Scots should have complete independance and let them be in control of their Country in EVERY way. Out would go the free prescriptions, out would go the free further education, out would go the massive subsidies it currently receives from Westminister but it would be free and could set up its own economy with its own currency.

Of course it would have to re-negotiate its entry into the EU that might take a while and it would have to pay its own benefits to its unemployed etc... BUT I think Scotland deserves the chance to go it alone instead of being tethered to the England for the last 200 plus years.........!!!!

Our free prescriptions etc are safe. We already pay for them ourselves out of the pocket money we get back from the revenue we pay to Westminster. We do pay more than we receive back.

[Z]

Originally Posted by arista

No Zee
he is helping the Young in Scotland

No he isn't. He's helping his own agenda because he's a **** stirrer. All I've heard him confirm for the future of Scotland is the number of jobs he's closing down, and nothing about how he's going to replace those jobs or how he's going to bring revenue. Scotland benefits hugely from being part of a global power; I don't think people realise just how insignificant we would become in the event this charade actually becomes a reality. I'm not against independence, but I'm against this smarmy little prick running his mouth and getting his way.

[LikeABoatOnWater]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

BUT I think Scotland deserves the chance to go it alone instead of being tethered to the England for the last 200 plus years.........!!!!

This isn't a "chance" once they have gone they have gone. no 2nd chances.

[LikeABoatOnWater]

Originally Posted by Zee

No he isn't. He's helping his own agenda because he's a **** stirrer. All I've heard him confirm for the future of Scotland is the number of jobs he's closing down, and nothing about how he's going to replace those jobs or how he's going to bring revenue. Scotland benefits hugely from being part of a global power; I don't think people realise just how insignificant we would become in the event this charade actually becomes a reality. I'm not against independence, but I'm against this smarmy little prick running his mouth and getting his way.

I agree, all he wants is to go down in history as the 1st president of scotland.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Zee

No he isn't. He's helping his own agenda because he's a **** stirrer. All I've heard him confirm for the future of Scotland is the number of jobs he's closing down, and nothing about how he's going to replace those jobs or how he's going to bring revenue. Scotland benefits hugely from being part of a global power; I don't think people realise just how insignificant we would become in the event this charade actually becomes a reality. I'm not against independence, but I'm against this smarmy little prick running his mouth and getting his way.

Zee
you are So Negative today

[arista]

Originally Posted by LikeABoatOnWater

I agree, all he wants is to go down in history as the 1st president of scotland.

I do not mind
I think its a great Idea.


He is keeping our pound
So I can stil trade with Scotland
on Imports/Exports


Life In The Fast Lane

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Zee

No he isn't. He's helping his own agenda because he's a **** stirrer. All I've heard him confirm for the future of Scotland is the number of jobs he's closing down, and nothing about how he's going to replace those jobs or how he's going to bring revenue. Scotland benefits hugely from being part of a global power; I don't think people realise just how insignificant we would become in the event this charade actually becomes a reality. I'm not against independence, but I'm against this smarmy little prick running his mouth and getting his way.

You do realise though that if we were to gain independence, salmons wouldn't automatically run the show? We'd have a general election to choose who'd run the country just the same ad we do now..

It's not just the SNP who are for independence; I was at a meeting recently chaired by the local "Scottish labour for independence" group.

Alex salmond is by far one of the most intelligent, economically minded MPs in Holyrood and Westminster and his only interest, whether he's smarmy or not, is a prosperous Scotland. I trust him completely

[Z]

Originally Posted by arista

Zee
you are So Negative today

This has been my opinion of him for years my experiences with him are not good. He shut down the paper mill industry in Scotland, he'll make all the people working at Trident unemployed which affects some of my friends' families; the guy just wants to be the first leader of an independent Scotland. Surely the flag stunt at Wimbledon couldn't have made that any more obvious? Trying to turn a sporting triumph into a political statement. Bored of him.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Lee.

You do realise though that if we were to gain independence, salmons wouldn't automatically run the show? We'd have a general election to choose who'd run the country just the same ad we do now..

It's not just the SNP who are for independence; I was at a meeting recently chaired by the local "Scottish labour for independence" group.

Alex salmond is by far one of the most intelligent, economically minded MPs in Holyrood and Westminster and his only interest, whether he's smarmy or not, is a prosperous Scotland. I trust him completely

Well Said Lee

[LikeABoatOnWater]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Alex salmond is by far one of the most intelligent, economically minded MPs in Holyrood and Westminster and his only interest, whether he's smarmy or not, is a prosperous Scotland. I trust him completely

Your definitely right with that statement jaja.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Lee.

You do realise though that if we were to gain independence, salmons wouldn't automatically run the show? We'd have a general election to choose who'd run the country just the same ad we do now..

It's not just the SNP who are for independence; I was at a meeting recently chaired by the local "Scottish labour for independence" group.

Alex salmond is by far one of the most intelligent, economically minded MPs in Holyrood and Westminster and his only interest, whether he's smarmy or not, is a prosperous Scotland. I trust him completely

No, but if we gained independence, why on earth wouldn't he hold onto power? It's turned into a cult of personality; Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon vs... well, nothing, because this is a non-issue. Scotland is not a repressed nation. Independence movements have to be grass roots to be effective. We are not living in a USSR or a Yugoslavia; we're living in the UK where we have all our rights. People aren't overly bothered because we've never had to be. If we were being bombed or being murdered for being Scottish, then this campaign would have a lot of traction behind it, but as it is, it's a fat man with a Cheshire cat grin on his face trying to stir up emotions that just don't exist, not really. I don't doubt that there are a lot of people who want independence for perfectly valid reasons; but at the heart of it, most people in Scotland won't see a huge change in their way of life, if any change at all, in the event of an independent Scotland. We won't suddenly become richer or more free or better off in any obvious way. For every "but we'd gain this!" point they've reeled off, I can think of a "but we'd lose that" point to counter it.

His campaign is artificial, it's not real. The people of Scotland do not want this. He didn't become the figurehead of a popular movement; he's a little man with a knack for provoking people, as all good politicians should, but I personally don't think people care enough about this. I'd laugh if turnout was so low on the day that the referendum had to be cancelled . I'll be voting no on the day. If another politician were to come around ten, fifteen years down the line, and for all the right reasons wanted Scottish independence, I'd perhaps view things differently. I'm wholly unimpressed at the smear campaigns Salmond's party have been running to try and convince voters. Dubbing staying in the UK "Project Fear" and all this ****e - are they for real? It's so juvenile. It says a lot about their campaigning that they're resorting to insults rather than, you know, focusing on what they should be doing.

[Lee.]

Yes we have rights Greg, but don't you think it's a country's right to govern herself and make her own decisions?

[Nedusa]

As much as I would personally like to see Scotland gain full Independance from the UK (England) I think we all need a reality check folks....This aint ever gonna happen ....not tomorrow not next decade not ever........!!!!

There is too much Political and Economic and Military capital invested in the Union for it ever to be allowed to be dissolved by the votes of a few "jocks"......

All the many powerful institutions that exist that bind together the British way of life from the Royal Family through the armed forces through the establishment itself the very lifeblood of the state are based on the union of these 4 Countries. why do think N.Ireland is still part of the UK ? There is serious anger within certain parts of the population of this country at being tied to the UK and years of real bloodshed and terrorism, but it is still part of the UK today.......

Scotland is going nowhere and you would have to be pretty naive to think it was...!!!!

[Z]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Yes we have rights Greg, but don't you think it's a country's right to govern herself and make her own decisions?

We have a devolved parliament with some serious clout, that's far more say than Wales, England or Northern Ireland have within the United Kingdom; we're given those concessions because it's important to the UK to keep Scotland and it's a mutually beneficial relationship. As Nedusa says, it'd be naive to think Scotland is going to be allowed to become independent, not at least without a fight from the UK to keep all four nations together. Yeah it's flawed that a Conservative/Lib Dem coalition is running the country, but that's a fault of First Past The Post, not with the UK itself. If we switched to a PR form of voting, it'd be more representative though we'd almost always have coalition governments - but isn't that a good thing? Kinda veering off topic here but anyway...

I'm not in favour of an independent Scotland and I don't think there is a majority that is for independence. I think it's a small minority who want independence; in response to that some people have argued the benefits of the union (it's not like this is a two sided debate, because it isn't a debate really) and the vast majority of Scottish citizens just don't really care either way.