[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I always find it a bit surprising tbh, how people are a lot more prepared to accept the supernatural when it comes to ghosts, but not when it comes to God, miracles etc.

Im sure there are miricles, im sure they happen everyday we just dont look for them, we focus on the shiz....

Originally Posted by Shasown

Ah i see now what you mean, you define someone seeing some form of energy which the person viewing either rightly or wrongly defines as a "ghost". that doesnt happen.

You are open minded enough to admit that there may be something unexplained that we cant put an accurate definition to?

And yet there is no possibility at all that any of those phenomenon could possibly some form of life force, be it residual energy from some form of trauma in a persons life replaying or even a spirit of a dead person?



Am glad all the wonders, mysteries and strange occurences of the modern world can be sorted into categories so easily.

Again, I'm trying to be patient here, but you're coming back with the same tired routine. Bring me something new, that's tangent, that we can discuss, because all I'm getting from you, is some very mystical sounding nonsense.

You're the open minded one, describe "some form of life force, be it residual energy from some form of trauma in a persons life replaying or even a spirit of a dead person?" to me. How does it work? When the brain/organs shut down, does this phenomena float out of your body?

Because unless you have a theory, other than slightly nuanced versions of your previous arguments, then there is no need for me to change my reply.

Describe this imprinting process to me.

Anyone can throw up mystical sounding examples that don't really mean anything, which is exactly what you've done.

I'll stick by my point, there is absolutely no evidence in any kind of afterlife, there is no evidence that ghosts exist, and there is no evidence that the tooth fairy exists, either.

May I ask where you got your avatar from? There are a number of religious/pseudo-scientific websites that use the same one. Is this just a coincidence?

One massive error that people in general make, is believing that people who believe and trust in the scientific process, are completely closed to change.

That's just not true. New discoveries, evidence and theories are what keeps our knowledge expanding. Where is your avatar from?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I would guess it's because everyone knows someone who claims to have seen a ghost, or had an absolutely true reading from a psychic, it's sort of worked it's way into our psyche like that. It's part of our language.

Not many people have witnessed someone resurrected from the dead, or water turning to wine.

Even religious people have their own snobbery. If I went into church and said MTVN had performed a miracle, they wouldn't take me on face value, they'd want more proof than my word.

I guess, the "evidence" for both is essentially the same though, normally anecdotal or from questionable photo/film, I'd say there's a lot more documented evidence of miracles than there is of ghosts

Originally Posted by kizzy

Im sure there are miricles, im sure they happen everyday we just dont look for them, we focus on the shiz....

The Catholic Church spend quite a lot of time looking for them

Originally Posted by kizzy

Yes you would be able to find one, no probs there is nowhere that we know of in out solar system that could sustain life as we know it.

I'll humour you - what about outside of our solar system?

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/12/kepler-22b/

Originally Posted by MTVN

I guess, the "evidence" for both is essentially the same though, normally anecdotal or from questionable photo/film, I'd say there's a lot more documented evidence of miracles than there is of ghosts



The Catholic Church spend quite a lot of time looking for them

Absolutely, your initial pondering was correct, it doesn't make sense. I just tried to offer a reason that it might be the case. Like you, I see no reason why the two things are treated differently.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I guess, the "evidence" for both is essentially the same though, normally anecdotal or from questionable photo/film, I'd say there's a lot more documented evidence of miracles than there is of ghosts



The Catholic Church spend quite a lot of time looking for them

I don't think there is that many miracles that they have certified. They're usually the ones to be most skeptic at first.

Originally Posted by InOne

I don't think there is that many miracles that they have certified. They're usually the ones to be most skeptic at first.

That's not really true anymore. The Catholic church are in the process of beautifying lots of people for really vague reasons. For instance, one of Mother Teresa's miracles, was a lighting effect when she was interviewed on film, once.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

That's not really true anymore. The Catholic church are in the process of beautifying lots of people for really vague reasons. For instance, one of Mother Teresa's miracles, was a lighting effect when she was interviewed on film, once.

I might be just thinking of Lourdes then. But they have their own investigation team when they are claimed I think lol Not kept up with any of that for a while though

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I'll humour you - what about outside of our solar system?

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/12/kepler-22b/

Dont humour me... Are we delving back into hypotheticals now?....what if? ..if only?....
And I am less than blinded by that website my 15yr old son could do a better job!

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by InOne

I don't think there is that many miracles that they have certified. They're usually the ones to be most skeptic at first.

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

That's not really true anymore. The Catholic church are in the process of beautifying lots of people for really vague reasons. For instance, one of Mother Teresa's miracles, was a lighting effect when she was interviewed on film, once.

I don't know a huge lot about it but with John Paul II his supposed miracle also seems very dubious, I think Benedict just confirmed it in order to beatify him

[Marsh.]

I remember watching a documentary about the miracle of the Bleeding Host. It was tested and had started to bleed real human blood and was real flesh in front of a congregation during a mass.
This has loads of details; whether you believe it or not it's very interesting. Matched the blood type of that found in the Turin Shroud.

http://www.indefenseofthecross.com/E...c_miracles.htm

Originally Posted by kizzy

Dont humour me... Are we delving back into hypotheticals now?....what if? ..if only?....
And I am less than blinded by that website my 15yr old son could do a better job!

So good website design is the key to you accepting that life is a "possibility?" Not proven, or certain, but a possibility.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I remember watching a documentary about the miracle of the Bleeding Host. It was tested and had started to bleed real human blood and was real flesh in front of a congregation during a mass.
This has loads of details; whether you believe it or not it's very interesting. Matched the blood type of that found in the Turin Shroud.

http://www.indefenseofthecross.com/E...c_miracles.htm

Quite interesting, although that film isn't very clear. Has anyone come up with a debunk or anything?