[InOne]

I know this is a Daily Mail link but it tells you a bit more about the Woman herself: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...evastated.html

[Mrluvaluva]

The Australian radio station has announced it is to donate Ł320,000 to the family of Jacintha Saldanha. I don't know what to think about that. Money to help her family, or ease the station's conscience?

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

The Australian radio station has announced it is to donate Ł320,000 to the family of Jacintha Saldanha. I don't know what to think about that. Money to help her family, or ease the station's conscience?

Hmmm dunno, can't say I saw anything genuine from the interviews they gave. It does seem to have become all about making them feel better.

[Livia]

In Australia I understand you need permission from the person who's voice you're broadcasting, in order to broadcast it, and they did not have that permission. And while I don't believe the DJs should be wholly blamed, they must take a part of the blame because they're the one who carried out the "joke".

[Niamh.]

Here look :

“I don’t know the process,” Greig said when asked to expand on the procedure behind a prank call. She said there is a “whole team” of people working on the show, but remained vague on if the team consisted of producers and lawyers employed by the station.

Christian described the vague team as “people far above us”.

“We are not privy to what happens to this call,” he said and added that the call, like all others, went through the same process and they simply waited for final approval, which they got.


http://www.pilotafrica.com/2012/12/1...omment-page-1/

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve

Here look :

“I don’t know the process,” Greig said when asked to expand on the procedure behind a prank call. She said there is a “whole team” of people working on the show, but remained vague on if the team consisted of producers and lawyers employed by the station.

Christian described the vague team as “people far above us”.

“We are not privy to what happens to this call,” he said and added that the call, like all others, went through the same process and they simply waited for final approval, which they got.


http://www.pilotafrica.com/2012/12/1...omment-page-1/

Hmmm, I think Vague is definitely the right word for it.

[Kizzy]

Because they actually made the call...
However the decision to transmit was not ultimately theirs.
If they themselves did not see the ramifications of this those whose job it is to failed also.

[Kizzy]

Because they actually made the call...
However the decision to transmit was not ultimately theirs.
If they themselves did not see the ramifications of this those whose job it is to failed also.

[Niamh.]

I would assume stuff like that would have to be approved though.

[Nedusa]

Look it doesn't matter who said who had permission or who sanctioned it or who allowed it ...it's not the point, the point is it was a prank telephone call aimed at generating a bit of laughter and amusement it was well intentioned NOT malicious. Had it gone well i'm sure the Radio Station would be promoting the two presenters.

The woman's suicide is co-incidental in the extreme and could never be as a consequence of a phone call to someone else which she picked up. This is all madness, why is this story still a story, it is a sad situation for the family, the woman clearly had issues and was probably going to end her life sooner rather than later.

The fact she answered the phone at work wouldn't have changed that, the prank call was an unfortunate untimely coincidence and should not be dressed up into the major news story that it has become.........!!!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Look it doesn't matter who said who had permission or who sanctioned it or who allowed it ...it's not the point, the point is it was a prank telephone call aimed at generating a bit of laughter and amusement it was well intentioned NOT malicious. Had it gone well i'm sure the Radio Station would be promoting the two presenters.

The woman's suicide is co-incidental in the extreme and could never be as a consequence of a phone call to someone else which she picked up. This is all madness, why is this story still a story, it is a sad situation for the family, the woman clearly had issues and was probably going to end her life sooner rather than later.
The fact she answered the phone at work wouldn't have changed that, the prank call was an unfortunate untimely coincidence and should not be dressed up into the major news story that it has become.........!!!

And here we go again... How did she 'clearly have issues'? Bit of a ridiculous thing to say

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

And here we go again... How did she 'clearly have issues'? Bit of a ridiculous thing to say

Yes your quite correct , literally millions of normal people without issues answer the phone every day and then go and jump in front of a train...!!!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Yes your quite correct , literally millions of normal people without issues answer the phone every day and then go and jump in front of a train...!!!

Come on, you're being silly now. You know the circumstances. Stop trying to deflect.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Look it doesn't matter who said who had permission or who sanctioned it or who allowed it ...it's not the point, the point is it was a prank telephone call aimed at generating a bit of laughter and amusement it was well intentioned NOT malicious. Had it gone well i'm sure the Radio Station would be promoting the two presenters.

The woman's suicide is co-incidental in the extreme and could never be as a consequence of a phone call to someone else which she picked up. This is all madness, why is this story still a story, it is a sad situation for the family, the woman clearly had issues and was probably going to end her life sooner rather than later.

The fact she answered the phone at work wouldn't have changed that, the prank call was an unfortunate untimely coincidence and should not be dressed up into the major news story that it has become.........!!!

Well, as with all pranks and practical jokes, it depends on how it is received by the person having the prank played on them, surely. And saying the woman probably would have ended her life sooner or later is pure conjecture on your part. Perhaps she had other stuff going on, or perhaps not. You don't know any more about her state of mind than I do. Fact is this prank pushed her over the edge.

This story is still a story because a woman is dead for some cheap laughs. I think that is reason enough why it is a major news story. Of course, if you don't think it's worth discussing because it's a non-event, don't discuss it.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, as with all pranks and practical jokes, it depends on how it is received by the person having the prank played on them, surely. And saying the woman probably would have ended her life sooner or later is pure conjecture on your part. Perhaps she had other stuff going on, or perhaps not. You don't know any more about her state of mind than I do. Fact is this prank pushed her over the edge.

This story is still a story because a woman is dead for some cheap laughs. I think that is reason enough why it is a major news story. Of course, if you don't think it's worth discussing because it's a non-event, don't discuss it.

No I still want to discuss it, its just that in my view it is pretty much two separate stories both not particularly newsworthy, connecting to produce this worldwide front page story.

Prank calls are not new and neither are people committing suicide, however the unfortunate timing makes this an unusual story, one in which I cannot believe these radio presenters could possibly have thought this type of tragedy would result from a phone call and as such there must be a limit to the amount of public remorse they are expected to show.

Prank calls do not usually result in someones death , this could never have been anticipated and as such I think the two presenters who will have to live with this for the rest of their lives should exit stage left and the family of the woman should be left to grieve in peace.

[Tom4784]

It's a terrible tragedy but it's senseless to lay the blame at the DJ's feet. They are obviously being made scapegoats by the higher ups that authorised the prank's broadcast without permission. Why blame the monkey when it's mainly the Organ Grinder's fault?

It's cold I know but I struggle to feel sorry for this woman, I remember hearing a good quote from a film or a TV show once when one character wanted to sacrifice themselves and another character said something like 'Death doesn't happen to you, it happens to everyone around you.' It's her family that will have to live with the loss, two children will have to grow up without a mother. It's her family that I feel sorry for, They're the ones who are suffering now.

[Sticks]

Lets forget the fact this was a prank call and look at the wider issue

This private hospital, (Not NHS but Private) had a high profile patient, it may have been a royal, but it could easily have been a pop star, film star, footballer etc.

The hospital had a duty of care to protect their patient.

Now I have worked in one place where they had posters warning to be wary of calls from the public, on the grounds they might be journalists. Later on if we were ever called by them we were all instructed to pass them on to our equivalent of a press office.

Getting back to this hospital, they should have realised that with a high profile VIP then aspects of the media would have tried it on to get a scoop on the others. (This call could very well have been a journalist lying their way to get a Pulitzer prize or spoil any exclusive that could have been signed up to.) This private hospital should have had adequate gate keepers to keep out these media hounds. A nurse "covering" the phones does not cut it. They are not trained to smell a rat or a journalist trying it on.

The hospital failed in their duty of care to the Duchess of Cambridge and their staff.

Journalists and DJ's will do what they do, so why blame them for doing their job. If part of their function was to "entertain" with these sort of calls, (Not my cup of tea), then they were doing their job. If the station has any culpability it lies further up the chain, since the procedure to obtain permissions may not have been followed.

The majority of the blame lies with the hospital, and they are trying to deflect attention from their culpability.

As for the nurse, if she felt she had betrayed one of her patients then she could very well have felt that the only honourable thing to do was to pay for her betrayal with her life. She was from over seas, so we do not know what their concepts of honour are.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Lets forget the fact this was a prank call and look at the wider issue

This private hospital, (Not NHS but Private) had a high profile patient, it may have been a royal, but it could easily have been a pop star, film star, footballer etc.

The hospital had a duty of care to protect their patient.

Now I have worked in one place where they had posters warning to be wary of calls from the public, on the grounds they might be journalists. Later on if we were ever called by them we were all instructed to pass them on to our equivalent of a press office.

Getting back to this hospital, they should have realised that with a high profile VIP then aspects of the media would have tried it on to get a scoop on the others. (This call could very well have been a journalist lying their way to get a Pulitzer prize or spoil any exclusive that could have been signed up to.) This private hospital should have had adequate gate keepers to keep out these media hounds. A nurse "covering" the phones does not cut it. They are not trained to smell a rat or a journalist trying it on.

The hospital failed in their duty of care to the Duchess of Cambridge and their staff.

Journalists and DJ's will do what they do, so why blame them for doing their job. If part of their function was to "entertain" with these sort of calls, (Not my cup of tea), then they were doing their job. If the station has any culpability it lies further up the chain, since the procedure to obtain permissions may not have been followed.

The majority of the blame lies with the hospital, and they are trying to deflect attention from their culpability.

As for the nurse, if she felt she had betrayed one of her patients then she could very well have felt that the only honourable thing to do was to pay for her betrayal with her life. She was from over seas, so we do not know what their concepts of honour are.

Thanks... Good post , you said pretty much what I wanted to express in my earlier posts...!!!

[Mrluvaluva]

Morrissey has slammed the British royal family following the death of nurse Jacintha Saldanha.

The singer labelled Prince William and Kate "arrogant" in the aftermath of the King Edward Hospital nurse's suspected suicide.

Nurse Jacintha Saldanha was found dead last week after transferring a call in which Australian DJs Mel Greig and Michael Christian pretended to be Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Charles to gain medical details about the hospitalised Duchess of Cambridge.

The former Smiths frontman called for the royal couple to show remorse for the incident, and that the blame should not be solely placed on the DJs.

He told New Zealand's 3News: "Even with the recent story about the nurse killing herself in King Edward Hospital, there's no blame placed on Kate Middleton, who was in the hospital as far as I could see for absolutely no reason.

"She feels no shame about the death of this woman, she's saying nothing about the death of this poor woman. The arrogance of the British royals is staggering, absolutely staggering. And why it's allowed to be I really don't know."

He added that the duchess's reported morning sickness was not worth a hospital visit, saying: "Does she have a health condition...? What is the health condition?

"I mean morning sickness already? So much hoo haw and then suddenly as bright as a button as soon as this poor woman dies she's out of hospital? It doesn't ring true.

"And I'm sure the Palace and Clarence House put maximum pressure on this poor receptionist and nurse, and of course that's kept away from the press.

"I'm sure the British press hounded this poor woman to her death, that's kept away. And by this time next week she'll be forgotten. And that's how the British royals work."

Australian radio station 2Day FM have announced that they will donate ad revenue to the family of Jacintha Saldanha.

Morrissey has criticised the British royal family for many years, recently describing Prince Harry as "an idiot".

He caused controversy earlier this year by comparing the London 2012 Olympics to Nazi Germany.


Digital Spy


Oh shut the fu.ck up Morrissey. Whilst I agree that the press have to take some blame in the cause of her death, I fail to see what crimes Kate and William have committed? Any excuse for a royal bashing...

[Irene Pearson]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

Morrissey has slammed the British royal family following the death of nurse Jacintha Saldanha.

The singer labelled Prince William and Kate "arrogant" in the aftermath of the King Edward Hospital nurse's suspected suicide.

Nurse Jacintha Saldanha was found dead last week after transferring a call in which Australian DJs Mel Greig and Michael Christian pretended to be Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Charles to gain medical details about the hospitalised Duchess of Cambridge.

The former Smiths frontman called for the royal couple to show remorse for the incident, and that the blame should not be solely placed on the DJs.

He told New Zealand's 3News: "Even with the recent story about the nurse killing herself in King Edward Hospital, there's no blame placed on Kate Middleton, who was in the hospital as far as I could see for absolutely no reason.

"She feels no shame about the death of this woman, she's saying nothing about the death of this poor woman. The arrogance of the British royals is staggering, absolutely staggering. And why it's allowed to be I really don't know."

He added that the duchess's reported morning sickness was not worth a hospital visit, saying: "Does she have a health condition...? What is the health condition?

"I mean morning sickness already? So much hoo haw and then suddenly as bright as a button as soon as this poor woman dies she's out of hospital? It doesn't ring true.

"And I'm sure the Palace and Clarence House put maximum pressure on this poor receptionist and nurse, and of course that's kept away from the press.

"I'm sure the British press hounded this poor woman to her death, that's kept away. And by this time next week she'll be forgotten. And that's how the British royals work."

Australian radio station 2Day FM have announced that they will donate ad revenue to the family of Jacintha Saldanha.

Morrissey has criticised the British royal family for many years, recently describing Prince Harry as "an idiot".

He caused controversy earlier this year by comparing the London 2012 Olympics to Nazi Germany.


Digital Spy


Oh shut the fu.ck up Morrissey. Whilst I agree that the press have to take some blame in the cause of her death, I fail to see what crimes Kate and William have committed? Any excuse for a royal bashing...

Morrissey has no connection between his gob and his brain cell

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Irene Pearson

Morrissey has no connection between his gob and his brain cell

Dissing Morrissey results in a 6 month ban. Go wash your mouth out lady

[Niamh.]

Well that's just stupid, kate should feel guilty for having been in hospital? wtf

[Niamh.]

Kate is a victim in this as well

[Kazanne]

What an utter dipstick he is,as if Kate should shoulder any blame,she was ill,maybe he needs some publicity,who does he think he is?

[arista]

"Morrissey has slammed the British royal family following the death of nurse"


Typical of him