[user104658]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Of course, but it's the principal that's the issue. We'll help our cronies out but **** the disabled, we don't have a magic money tree to help them

Indeed. Why can't they just go on the dole until they find another job? I mean, if there's two things we know about being on benefits in Britain;

1) Being on the dole is amazing, you get loads of free stuff, have loads of money and can basically do what you want. You can just spend all day buying iPads and trainers! What's the problem?

2) Getting jobs is easy, anyone who can't get a job within a couple of months of losing the last one just isn't trying hard enough.

[bots]

Lol so now its seen as a bad thing when MP's in a party want to help their colleagues ... this forum is hilarious

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Lol so now its seen as a bad thing when MP's in a party want to help their colleagues ... this forum is hilarious

Obviously they can do what they want with their own funds, but whining that their poor MPs will be in "financial difficulties" is an absolute joke when they've been so flippant about cutting hundreds of pounds a month from people who have to scrape together change for a loaf of bread. To be honest, if some of those MPs end up at a food bank I'd call that karma. Realistically, that's not going to happen though is it.

[DemolitionRed]

This is a much better style!

Youtube video

[user104658]

Also, for the record, I left said prejudiced little bigotvillage when I was 18 and haven't looked back once; the country would be better off if it didn't exist. Nasty inbred little orange ****hole that it is.

[joeysteele]

I'm not going to bother quoting that long post.
Their social policies are at odds with the people of N Ireland.
You still are harping on about Sinn Féinn and the IRA, however whether you like it or not,Sinn Féinn are a major elected party now too in N Ireland.


The DUP were also at odds with the EU vote from N.Ireland where 56% voted to remain in the EU.

I am genuinely mystified why they get so many votes,sadly they do but they should not have any sway as to the EU for the whole of the UK.
They are backed by sectarian sources the orange order and Sinn Féinn largely represent the other side.
Neither should be considered legitimate security as to supporting UK govt.
Formally or informally.

This Con govt should govern as a min govt and amend all contentious policies,seeking more consensus across parliament as a whole,as Labour had to do between Feb 74 until October.

If it falls and another election has to be,then so be it,but no deals with any sectarian parties should ever be sought.

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I'm not going to bother quoting that long post.
Their social policies are at odds with the people of N Ireland.
You still are harping on about Sinn Féinn and the IRA, however whether you like it or not,Sinn Féinn are a major elected party now too in N Ireland.

I don't like either Sinn Fein or the DUP and have never voted for either and I think it's a shame the alternative, more moderate voices of the SDLP and UUP have effectively been silenced.

Maybe you don't understand that many Catholics also detest Sinn Fein and the IRA because they lost loved ones in the IRA's indiscriminate bombing of public areas. Did they care that their own people were being blown to smithereens? Their bombing campaign gave birth to Loyalist Paramilitaries who retaliated by seeking out innocent Catholics to shoot. Many Catholics, including myself (although I no longer see myself as 'anything') voted SDLP and would never, then or now, vote for Sinn Fein. It would be dishonouring our dead that their members, past and present, killed.

The irony is that if Sinn Fein had gone down the political, democratic route to begin with in the early 70's instead of mass murder of not just Loyalists but their own people they would have their United Ireland by now democratically. There isn't a huge difference between Nationalist and Loyalist numbers now in voting terms but so many Catholics refrain from voting for them.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

“The future’s bright!” declared the Democratic Unionist Party leader ahead of the talks, while DUP MP Ian Paisley Jnr exclaimed: “The future’s orange!” in reference to the Orange Order.



http://www.standard.co.uk/news/polit...-a3564036.html

[Northern Monkey]

Would this DUP/Tories thing even work?
I've been hearing that they're opposed to the Tories on quite alot.
They have unfashionable views on Gay marriage and abortion,They want rid of the bedroom tax,They're against removing the triple lock on pensions,They're against means testing winter fuel payments,They're against a 'hard Brexit' and don't want austerity.

Seems like a total disaster.
The DUP seem actually nothing like the Tories.
So the Tories would basically have to give up on their manifesto?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Would this DUP/Tories thing even work?
I've been hearing that they're opposed to the Tories on quite alot.
They have unfashionable views on Gay marriage and abortion,They want rid of the bedroom tax,They're against removing the triple lock on pensions,They're against means testing winter fuel payments,They're against a 'hard Brexit' and don't want austerity.

Seems like a total disaster.
The DUP seem actually nothing like the Tories.
So the Tories would basically have to give up on their manifesto?

That's just not how things work. The controversial elements of the tory manifesto were bound to get ditched in a minority situation. What they will concentrate on is the areas that they do agree on and focus on putting them through, and there is plenty content there. This is after all the first session in a 5 year term that the manifesto covered.

There will be more than enough common ground that they can agree upon for a couple of years, and at the moment, that's all that matters.

[In the Drunk Tank]

The DUP have the sense to realise that they have a once in a generation chance to have a meaningful role in Westminster government so they won't risk that by making unreasonable demands or trying to get the Tories to shelve too much of their manifesto. Things like gay marriage, abortion and a lot of other social issues are devolved matters for the Northern Irish assembly so won't be a part of any agreement.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Would this DUP/Tories thing even work?
I've been hearing that they're opposed to the Tories on quite alot.
They have unfashionable views on Gay marriage and abortion,They want rid of the bedroom tax,They're against removing the triple lock on pensions,They're against means testing winter fuel payments,They're against a 'hard Brexit' and don't want austerity.

Seems like a total disaster.
The DUP seem actually nothing like the Tories.
So the Tories would basically have to give up on their manifesto?

The Tories need them more than they need the Tories too so it won't be like the last Coalition where the Lib Dems were forced to lick the Tories' boots to stay relevant. The DUP will gladly tell them to **** off which means the Tories will have to make concessions to the DUP which is just bad news for everyone.

Here's hoping that predicted election towards the end of the year becomes a reality.

[VanessaFeltz.]

DUP Percentage 28.1% Popular vote 225,413
Sin Fein Percentage 27.9% Popular vote 224,245

both of them barely got 1/4 of the votes

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by VanessaFeltz.

DUP Percentage 28.1% Popular vote 225,413
Sin Fein Percentage 27.9% Popular vote 224,245

both of them barely got 1/4 of the votes

Those figures aren't from this election, the DUP had 36% of the vote and Sinn Fein 29.4%

I think those are the figures from the Northern Ireland Assembly election that you're quoting

[VanessaFeltz.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Those figures aren't from this election, the DUP had 36% of the vote and Sinn Fein 29.4%

I think those are the figures from the Northern Ireland Assembly election that you're quoting

oh yes you are right. I still dont think either of these parties represent the whole NI because there are lots of parties that gathered high amount of votes.

[jet]

Originally Posted by VanessaFeltz.

oh yes you are right. I still dont think either of these parties represent the whole NI because there are lots of parties that gathered high amount of votes.

The other parties did dismally this election unfortunately.

[VanessaFeltz.]

But i am just saying it by looking at the numbers i am not that well informed about the politics of NI

[JTM45]

The fact that the Tories are even considering getting involved with this lot is extremely worrying!
If Labour were teaming up with Sinn Fein you lot would be screaming your heads off but the DUP have very close links with Terrorists (the UDA) and even have an Armed Robber amongst their ranks!
The DUP have already said that they're going to expect the marches to be brought back and the fact that it will mean that the UK Government are no longer impartial will put the entire peace treaty at risk.
Sheer desperate insanity!!!!

[Kizzy]

They know they have the tories by the short and curlies... if they withdraw support may knows its all over for her. They are in a very strong bargaining position, and they are already asking for things that will mean the good friday agreement is null and void.

Check mate Well played jez

[Brillopad]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...byn-get-power/

Interesting article that really says it all about Corbyn supporters and their way OTT vitriol.

As I have said previously sheer bluster and bravado.

What a great image of British youth. They look more like a bunch of thugs to me.

[Withano]

The bloody left demonising homophobia, facism, and anti-women rights. Just let them dictate because democracy

[Firewire]

No we're demonising the DUP because it is a fascist party that has no good being in power

[bots]

Originally Posted by Firewire

No we're demonising the DUP because it is a fascist party that has no good being in power

Well, those that voted for labour forced it to happen, so no point blaming anyone else

[MB.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Well, those that voted for labour forced it to happen, so no point blaming anyone else

Funnily enough, I don't recall "Labour + the DUP" being on my ballot paper... are you saying that our only option to avoid a Tory/DUP coalition was to vote Tory? Yes, that sounds wonderfully fair

[Withano]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Well, those that voted for labour forced it to happen, so no point blaming anyone else

Those who voted for a party that would even consider the fascist cluster**** could be a good place to start