[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Thankyou Vicky. See, I find the entirety of this post to be totally fair and well-reasoned. It makes a lot of sense, and it's. Well reasoned. I personally feel like the scope of just how many men are going to suddenly declare themselves females just to perv and flash is, perhaps, blown a bit out of proportion... But I do understand the concern, and I do also think the change in law (if it is as extensive as this) is ridiculous.

Where my issue lies, for clarification, is that the posts on this topic are NOT always so well reasoned and the arguments not always so well set out, and they descend into mocking / "crying laughing face type" / posts that scream "dick dick dick cock cock" over and over pointedly.

There have also been threads where genuine transsexuals have been repeatedly refered to as he / him / man / boy.

AND the fact that you've stated quite clearly that you don't really believe in the concept of biological gender beyond the physical and have posted skeptically about "souls" etc.

And these sentiments get a lot of support from others, too.

Basically, there's quite a lot of "evidence" that suggests to me that this is not at all "just about the issue of self-id". That clearly is a big PART of what the issue is here, but it doesn't seem to be the whole issue, and that seems to be being tip-toed around and that frustrates me.

Oh so the mocking, laughing, rolling eyes smileys are annoying you? Welcome to my world.
So can we have an example of one of these posts? quote them... If it's not myself or Vicky that you have taken exception to that narrows it down a little.

I don't know how souls relate to the physical body but in all fairness I haven't seen any support for that theory either, that was as far as I see a very personal view.

As you've shown in relation to the proposed law changes you haven't the scope of information to have an opinion, therefore I fail to see how that elevates you to a position to criticise anyone that has and does take this proposal very seriously.

I would go as far as to say it says something about your own sense of self importance that you feel you can challenge the views of those concerned while you yourself plead ignorance.

[Kizzy]

Thanks for that Vicky, I feel the same although I'd say that was clear from the off to be fair.

[Parmy]

Do you think men never **** themselves when walking home alone brillo?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Do you think men never **** themselves when walking home alone brillo?

Maybe if they see a group of men ahead or something but it isn’t the same. They rarely have reason to fear just one man and most attacks and sexual assaults are carried out by lone men.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Maybe if they see a group of men ahead or something but it isn’t the same. They rarely have reason to fear just one man and most attacks and sexual assaults are carried out by lone men.

I got to disagree what with the increase of people carrying knives. I think most men are being dishonest if they claim to never be scared walking alone at night.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I got to disagree what with the increase of people carrying knives. I think most men are being dishonest if they claim to never be scared walking alone at night.

I don’t doubt that Parmy but that is a more recent development whereas women have experienced such vulnerability since the year dot.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I don’t doubt that Parmy but that is a more recent development whereas women have experienced such vulnerability since the year dot.

Ah, yes very true.

But so will some men have, we aint all big brave rufty tufty types

[Withano]

I havent commented on the self-ID thing, cos I'm pretty sit-ty-on-the-fensey with it. As in I dont agree people can just claim their gender before entering an area not designed for them, nor do I think they have to wait until after the transistion to use them. (I think anybody actively planning on getting, or hoping to get, the op should get the option, that idea doesnt seem to float about much though?).

Regarding the list Cherie made, I, again, am pretty in the middle. There should be areas designed for gender, and areas designed for sex. I'd argue the ones on Cherie's list should be an issue of sex (their current physical sex, not birth sex), not gender.

Its actually pretty comfortable on the fense on this one.. why are we all fighting for one extreme or the other?

[Withano]

Its not at all a 'men telling women' issue. Tibb is a small bubble, and men being farrrr more fine with transrights than women on this one single website bares no resemblance to the real world.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Its not at all a 'men telling women' issue. Tibb is a small bubble, and men being farrrr more fine with transrights than women on this one single website bares no resemblance to the real world.

In denial.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Its not at all a 'men telling women' issue. Tibb is a small bubble, and men being farrrr more fine with transrights than women on this one single website bares no resemblance to the real world.

Of course men are more supportive of it for all the reasons constantly pointed out by women. Isn’t that the point! The fact it needs pointing out is very telling.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Of course men are more supportive of it for all the reasons constantly pointed out by women. Isn’t that the point! The fact it needs pointing out is very telling.

They are on this one single website, which was the point I was making. They're not, in general, in the grand scheme of things. They tend to be more resistant and less open to trans issues than women are.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...02.10.2017.pdf

A lot of people have jumped to the conclusion of 'huh lol well of course men are okay with it' because of the opinions of like 3? 4? Blokes on this is big brother dot com. Its ridiculous lol, and completely subtracts from any interesting discussion happening.


So this whole 'men telling women' thing is nonsense. It has more to do with age and education if you look at the results from that huge survey a bit closer.

[Parmy]

Its not just this example of things that people/men can or could take advantage off...2 male paedos could get a civil partnership..

fool the appropriate departments..

Then most scarily, adopt a child...
But we have had that discussion.

[user104658]

As for the chorus of "It's just the man's telling the women's wot to fink!!"... Come on guys you can do better than this. Well most of you can anyway.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

As for the chorus of "It's just the man's telling the women's wot to fink!!"... Come on guys you can do better than this. Well most of you can anyway.

Just because you aren't aware of the controlling, patronising sexism doesn't mean it isn't there.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Just because you aren't aware of the controlling, patronising sexism doesn't mean it isn't there.

It's a ham-fisted strawman attempt to use supposed misogyny to shut down an opposing argument. I'm not sexist in the slightest and accusing me of Mansplaining or being "a patronising sexist" is not a shortcut to getting me to shut up just because the person I am disagreeing with happens to be female . It's bull**** jaxie and I'm not playing. I wasn't playing when the "mansplainennnn" cries started up a few months ago, and I'm not playing now. It's not going to stop me from saying what I have to say, ever... It is a complete waste of time. Continue to try to do it if you feel like you must but it genuinely is only your own time that you're wasting.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's a ham-fisted strawman attempt to use supposed misogyny to shut down an opposing argument. I'm not sexist in the slightest and accusing me of Mansplaining or being "a patronising sexist" is not a shortcut to getting me to shut up just because the person I am disagreeing with happens to be female . It's bull**** jaxie and I'm not playing. I wasn't playing when the "mansplainennnn" cries started up a few months ago, and I'm not playing now. It's not going to stop me from saying what I have to say, ever... It is a complete waste of time. Continue to try to do it if you feel like you must but it genuinely is only your own time that you're wasting.

Welcome to TiBB, being on the other side is a revelation..yes?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's a ham-fisted strawman attempt to use supposed misogyny to shut down an opposing argument. I'm not sexist in the slightest and accusing me of Mansplaining or being "a patronising sexist" is not a shortcut to getting me to shut up just because the person I am disagreeing with happens to be female . It's bull**** jaxie and I'm not playing. I wasn't playing when the "mansplainennnn" cries started up a few months ago, and I'm not playing now. It's not going to stop me from saying what I have to say, ever... It is a complete waste of time. Continue to try to do it if you feel like you must but it genuinely is only your own time that you're wasting.

Which is exactly how women feel!

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's a ham-fisted strawman attempt to use supposed misogyny to shut down an opposing argument. I'm not sexist in the slightest and accusing me of Mansplaining or being "a patronising sexist" is not a shortcut to getting me to shut up just because the person I am disagreeing with happens to be female . It's bull**** jaxie and I'm not playing. I wasn't playing when the "mansplainennnn" cries started up a few months ago, and I'm not playing now. It's not going to stop me from saying what I have to say, ever... It is a complete waste of time. Continue to try to do it if you feel like you must but it genuinely is only your own time that you're wasting.

Of course, the only one not trying to shut down others opinions is you.

I don't want to shut you or anyone else down, certainly not after my own experiences of attempts to mock and shut me down on this forum. But I am prepared to point out the rife sexism on these threads. However it's not all about you, you could take a leaf there.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Welcome to TiBB, being on the other side is a revelation..yes?

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Which is exactly how women feel!

Originally Posted by jaxie

Of course, the only one not trying to shut down others opinions is you.

No u.

[Ashsleigh]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's a ham-fisted strawman attempt to use supposed misogyny to shut down an opposing argument.

Did you not use transphobia to shut down an opposing argument yesterday?

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I have to be honest and say that I increasingly get the impression that the multiple "terrible issues!" people are having with trans, are pretty much just excuses to jump on it because they just plain "don't like the idea".

Go figure.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's a ham-fisted strawman attempt to use supposed misogyny to shut down an opposing argument. I'm not sexist in the slightest and accusing me of Mansplaining or being "a patronising sexist" is not a shortcut to getting me to shut up just because the person I am disagreeing with happens to be female . It's bull**** jaxie and I'm not playing. I wasn't playing when the "mansplainennnn" cries started up a few months ago, and I'm not playing now. It's not going to stop me from saying what I have to say, ever... It is a complete waste of time. Continue to try to do it if you feel like you must but it genuinely is only your own time that you're wasting.

But you did... that's exactly what you did in that games thread... I'm going to keep referring back to that until you acknowledge the relevance here and across the forum.

This might not be about me, and I'm not suggesting it is.. however I feel that example is comparable.

Your condemnation didn't stop me then either.

[user104658]

All I have left to add is that I have zero interest in engaging in debates where I'm expected to start "on the back foot" for arbitrary reasons, or am expected to accept having a "lesser opinion".

If others want to do that, that's up to them. It's not for me. So I'll bow out from that.

Originally Posted by Kizzy

But you did... that's exactly what you did in that games thread... I'm going to keep referring back to that until you acknowledge the relevance here and across the forum.
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Good luck with that Kizzy.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

As for the chorus of "It's just the man's telling the women's wot to fink!!"... Come on guys you can do better than this. Well most of you can anyway.

Ah ahhhh... you said no mocking.

No it's worse than that, you are making presumptions on what others are thinking.

[Vicky.]

https://notthenewsinbriefs.wordpress...re-notadebate/

This is long, but it explains my views on this all exactly tbh.

Also this

https://fairplayforwomen.com/misogyny_hate_silencing/

And near every article on that site