[Crimson Dynamo]

So he is nailed on to win that award but its only a few years since he expressed these views:


In a 2015 interview, he compared being gay to paedophilia and claimed that homosexuality is “one of the three things that will lead to the apocalypse”.

He said: “There are only three things that need to be accomplished before the devil comes home. One of them is homosexuality being legal in countries, one of them is abortion and the other one is paedophiles.”

In a 2016 hour-long rant, the boxer made anti-semitic remarks, alongside a series of disturbing comments about rape, bestiality and paedophilia.

He said: “Everyone just do what you can, listen to the government follow everybody like sheep, be brainwashed by all the Zionist, Jewish people who own all the banks, all the papers, all the TV stations.”

Fury also previously said that the “Gay Rights Act 1977”, which does not exist, was backed by supporters of legalising paedophilia.

In an interview which surfaced in 2017, he said: “I have newspaper evidence that suggest that the Gay Rights Act of 1977 backed in favour of paedophilia being legalised in the UK. So how dare I say that, but how dare it be on the national paper…. These are the people, these are now politicians or whatever in the country…”

In the same interview, he added his “personal belief” was that “a woman’s best place is in the kitchen and on her back”.

Fury has denied being homophobic, but has long refused to directly apologise for his comments and in 2018 stormed out of an interview after being challenged on them.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/02/2...eontay-wilder/

Should we be lauding this man as a British hero so soon after such views or is it so far in the past as to not matter as much?

[user104658]

Can we call 2015 "so far in the past"? If it had been 2005 (when he was a teenager) then I'd be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt that he was just a dumb kid mouthing off, but... It was 5 years ago and he was a 26 year old man.

[Cherie]

Your OP is inaccurate poster. He has apologised for those comments, and he was suffering with mental health issues at the time

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...nsive-comments

I apologise to anyone who may have taken offence at any of my comments,” Fury said in a statement. “I said some things, which may have hurt some people, which as a Christian man is not something I would ever want to do.
“Though it is not an excuse, sometimes the heightened media scrutiny has caused me to act out in public. I mean no harm or disrespect to anyone and I know more is expected of me as an ambassador of British boxing and I promise in future to hold myself up to the highest possible standard.
“Anyone who knows me personally knows that I am in no way a racist or bigot and I hope the public accept this apology.”

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Your OP is inaccurate poster. He has apologised for those comments, and he was suffering with mental health issues at the time

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...nsive-comments

being bi polar is not an excuse for hateful comments

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

being bi polar is not an excuse for hateful comments

No but he has apologised, so what more can he do, if he repeats these statements then fair enough, but it appears to have been a one off where he was lashing out?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No but he has apologised, so what more can he do, if he repeats these statements then fair enough, but it appears to have been a one off where he was lashing out?

to be fair he really just apologised if people were upset with what he said. Now as the Heavyweight Champion of the world he really needs to tell people he no longer believes them to be true

But as a "devout Christian" i expect he does

in my opinion

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Your OP is inaccurate poster. He has apologised for those comments, and he was suffering with mental health issues at the time

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...nsive-comments

I apologise to anyone who may have taken offence at any of my comments,” Fury said in a statement. “I said some things, which may have hurt some people, which as a Christian man is not something I would ever want to do.
“Though it is not an excuse, sometimes the heightened media scrutiny has caused me to act out in public. I mean no harm or disrespect to anyone and I know more is expected of me as an ambassador of British boxing and I promise in future to hold myself up to the highest possible standard.
“Anyone who knows me personally knows that I am in no way a racist or bigot and I hope the public accept this apology.”

He's had his knuckles rapped clearly, been essentially ordered to make an apology and to keep his mouth shut in future.

I don't think he should face penalties or be banned from the sport or anything like that - but "sports personality of the year"? It doesn't really seem appropriate IMO. Again, if these had been dumb throwaway comments he made when he was much younger I'd be more inclined to give the benefit of the doubt... but it wasn't, it was only a couple of years ago, as an adult.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

As the heavyweight Champion of the World he is not any other person, he is a role model and should be of course held to far higher standards just as he is paid hugely for his job. His pay reflects how many people are interested in what he does and says.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

He's had his knuckles rapped clearly, been essentially ordered to make an apology and to keep his mouth shut in future.

I don't think he should face penalties or be banned from the sport or anything like that - but "sports personality of the year"? It doesn't really seem appropriate IMO. Again, if these had been dumb throwaway comments he made when he was much younger I'd be more inclined to give the benefit of the doubt... but it wasn't, it was only a couple of years ago, as an adult.

He says he was misquoted, and also we don't know what mental state he was in, he has apologised and moved on

He allegedly has donated his 7 million purse from the first Wilder fight to Alcohol and Drug Charities in the UK? learning from your mistakes and championing charities is role model stuff to me, who here hasn't made a mistake in life?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

He says he was misquoted, and also we don't know what mental state he was in, he has apologised and moved on

He allegedly has donated his 7 million purse from the first Wilder fight to Alcohol and Drug Charities in the UK? learning from your mistakes and championing charities is role model stuff to me, who here hasn't made a mistake in life?

Again, I'm not saying that he should be hauled over the coals for it after apologizing or that it should affect his actual career - but winning a prize like sports personality of the year is not an integral part of his career... and IMO, should go to someone else.

[Saph]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Can we call 2015 "so far in the past"? If it had been 2005 (when he was a teenager) then I'd be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt that he was just a dumb kid mouthing off, but... It was 5 years ago and he was a 26 year old man.

hes 31 now?!?! legit thought he was like 45

[Niamh.]

I did say that in the boxing thread but apparently, he's done some charity work or something so all is forgiven

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I did say that in the boxing thread but apparently, he's done some charity work or something so all is forgiven

Donating 7 million (if he has done) is not a minor gesture

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Donating 7 million (if he has done) is not a minor gesture

Does it cancel out his views? People generally don't say stuff like that if they don't really believe them to be true.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Does it cancel out his views? People generally don't say stuff like that if they don't really believe them to be true.

No but I think he is trying to make amends, I think we have to take his mental health into account as well, as perhaps not being media savvy, if he says things like that next week, I will have a rethink, I need to watch his ITV thing

[Niamh.]

Anthony Joshua is decent, respectful person.

Tyson Fury is entitled to his own beliefs and people are entitled to think he's a **** for holding them as well

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Anthony Joshua is decent, respectful person.

Tyson Fury is entitled to his own beliefs and people are entitled to think he's a **** for holding them as well

and Fury is a product of his environment, as far as I know AJ was brought up by his Mum so he will have had different influences in his life

[Cherie]

Its not often LT and Neem are on the same page

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Its not often LT and Neem are on the same page

You know what they say about broken clocks Cherie

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You know what they say about broken clocks Cherie

LT being clocked by a clock

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

and Fury is a product of his environment, as far as I know AJ was brought up by his Mum so he will have had different influences in his life

So that means he gets a pass for all the disgusting stuff he's said? Not in my world. He has a mind of his own

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So that means he gets a pass for all the disgusting stuff he's said? Not in my world. He has a mind of his own

Of course he has, but we have to consider what his education has been compared to AJ if we are going to compare the two

[bots]

the key word here is personality. Sporting achievement gets a tick, but given that personality includes views expressed and example to others ..... that aspect gets a big X.

That being said, it's not a panel that decide the winner, it's the british public, it would be interesting to see if they consider him worthy of the title

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So that means he gets a pass for all the disgusting stuff he's said? Not in my world. He has a mind of his own

Indeed, but maybe we should allow for the fact that he is intellectually lacking.
A complete asshole of a man who doesn’t deserve the accolade of Sports personality of the year.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Indeed, but maybe we should allow for the fact that he is intellectually lacking.
A complete asshole of a man who doesn’t deserve the accolade of Sports personality of the year.

100% agree with you Smudgie

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

and Fury is a product of his environment, as far as I know AJ was brought up by his Mum so he will have had different influences in his life

Many people are raised in environments tainted by hatred and yet they are not always hateful. That excuse only goes so far, really. Everyone who isn't hateful comes to a realisation that what they were taught were wrong.

I was raised in a deeply racist area yet I'm not racist myself because I came to my own conclusions.