[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Your opinion is so much more unbiased than thus academic article?..

Look at your use of language, she is cherry picking/biased/blinkered/ assumptive/



You can only comment on anything if you are neutral.. When did that become a thing, do film critics refuse to critique films or actors they like or admire? No of course they don't.



You've taken exception to this comprehensive peice as it flies in the face of your armchair sociologist perspective. So instead of validating anything she's said as having any merit, youve dismissed her as a fangirl.

She admitted openly to being a fan girl, and I didn't say she "can't comment"? I said I'd need something a bit more neutral for me, personally, to take it seriously or find it interesting. A fan defending something that they are already pre-inclined to defend isn't interesting. It might be to you, that's fine also, but I'm speaking for myself here.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

She admitted openly to being a fan girl, and I didn't say she "can't comment"? I said I'd need something a bit more neutral for me, personally, to take it seriously or find it interesting. A fan defending something that they are already pre-inclined to defend isn't interesting. It might be to you, that's fine also, but I'm speaking for myself here.

Where?... where does it specifically say she is a fan?

You projected that as an excuse to render her biased. Although it's made clear this is her field of academic expertise. .. Speaking for myself here that does not reflect well on you.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Where?... where does it specifically say she is a fan?



You projected that as an excuse to render her biased. Although it's made clear this is her field of academic expertise. .. Speaking for myself here that does not reflect well on you.

She opens the article by referring to the song as "the summer smash hit we all needed" and follows with;

"Complete with sexy costumes, fantastical set pieces, exotic animals, and updo hairstyles reminiscent of the very best of the 1990s, the WAP video is nothing short of a visual feast."

She is a fan. It's called reading between the lines, Kizzy.

She then goes on to make two major claims

1) That the only people criticising it are men

2) That the only critique is against female sexual empowerment and the critics are all coming from that angle.


Both claims are demonstrably false.

I'm not sure what else there is to say.

[Ammi]

...just to say, this is the original article...

https://theconversation.com/wap-the-...k-women-144815


...and this is just a very little about the author, but she’s googleable for any more information...

https://theconversation.com/profiles...sfield-1147916


...and this disclosure statement for that article, which I guess meant articles have....

Michell Chresfield does not work for, consult, own shares in or receive funding from any company or organisation that would benefit from this article, and has disclosed no relevant affiliations beyond their academic appointment.



...obviously I don’t know her music taste and whether she’s a fan of the ladies particularly etc...but I do find her views of interest to read as well as other views...because all create balance and ‘Her research interests include cultural and intellectual history, the history of science and medicine, and the history of racial formation and identity making in twentieth century America’ ...it doesn’t lean to me like a fan piece of writing...but, we all have ‘leanings’ on many things anyway in life because of our own life experiences etc and generally because of how our own thought processes tend to be...and that’s not to be dismissed either...(...so long as it isn’t based on gossip media, type thing...)....I think it’s an interesting piece because she’s looking at the ‘black female’ perspective as well ...

[Ammi]

...anyways, that was my thoughts......


...My interpretation of ‘the summer smash hit we all needed‘ was more that it’s been a tough year for us all and this was intended as a bit lightness and fun that has been needed...because we hadn’t really had a ‘sound of summer’ this year in the way that it’s tended to be for other years pre COVID...but yeah, that’s my own leaning in thoughts and my perspective, rather than her being a fan...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I read it, I just don't agree with it. Any of it.

That's fine. Should've maybe responded with that to begin with instead of the pathetic post that was inventing what I said, instead of addressing what I actually said.

Still, got there in the end.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

She opens the article by referring to the song as "the summer smash hit we all needed" and follows with;

"Complete with sexy costumes, fantastical set pieces, exotic animals, and updo hairstyles reminiscent of the very best of the 1990s, the WAP video is nothing short of a visual feast."

She is a fan. It's called reading between the lines, Kizzy.

She then goes on to make two major claims

1) That the only people criticising it are men

2) That the only critique is against female sexual empowerment and the critics are all coming from that angle.


Both claims are demonstrably false.

I'm not sure what else there is to say.

That is a very generalised 'we' .. it is a visual feast. Neither of those terms says I am a fan.

It's not called reading between the lines it's called projecting a narrative that makes your dismissive opinion of this academic justified in your mind.

1. There is reference to men critiquing the song, nowhere does it say only men do. Again that's your projection.

2. The onus is not on her to address EVERY critique and she does not state that female empowerment it the only issue worthy of addressing.

I can think of something to say. There is no pressure on her to provide a thesis on WAP, she's just giving her expert opinion on one aspect and I happen to agree with it. Whatever else it is that you would like to have been discussed here, you may be able to get some insight from another source..

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

That's fine. Should've maybe responded with that to begin with instead of the pathetic post that was inventing what I said, instead of addressing what I actually said.

Still, got there in the end.

I can respond as I see fit to, so can you as this rude dismissive post proves.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I can respond as I see fit to, so can you as this rude dismissive post proves.

Nope, you don't get to re-invent what I said to turn it into a completely unrelated discussion. You do it all the time, just stop.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Nope, you don't get to re-invent what I said to turn it into a completely unrelated discussion. You do it all the time, just stop.

I get to do what I like, the posts are there to be read. All my comments relate to the discussion and as per most of yours relate to me.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I get to do what I like, the posts are there to be read. All my comments relate to the discussion and as per most of yours relate to me.

No, Kizzy. As usual you took someone disagreeing with you as a personal attack, completely twisted my post and threw the toys out of the pram. Sit down.

You don't get to invent things, mock other posters and then act aggrieved when the response isn't so polite.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No, Kizzy. As usual you took someone disagreeing with you as a personal attack, completely twisted my post and threw the toys out of the pram. Sit down.

You don't get to invent things, mock other posters and then act aggrieved when the response isn't so polite.

And here you are doing it again, I am sat down thanks.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And here you are doing it again, I am sat down thanks.

No, you don't get to be rude and make it everyone else's issue when it's yours.

Goodnight, Kizzy.

[Strictly Jake]

Dont know what its classed as....but its crap....and when i played spotify hot hits before when the kids were with me and I hadnt ever heard it and it came on it was a very awkward moment!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

Dont know what its classed as....but its crap....and when i played spotify hot hits before when the kids were with me and I hadnt ever heard it and it came on it was a very awkward moment!

Yeah, pretty much nailed it Jake

*I would think the same about a male artist with similar lyrics

[Marsh.]

Yeah, even apart from the subject matter it's a song everyone's heard 100 times before.

[Toy Soldier]

Well yes I was also creased at, in that article posted, the attempt at a serious critical analysis of the lyric "certified freak, seven days a week". It veers into satire territory there but I don't think the author IS joking.

But I've tried to stay away from that aspect as I've been accused of being a "music snob" in the past .

But really. Really.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No, you don't get to be rude and make it everyone else's issue when it's yours.

Goodnight, Kizzy.

Haven't been rude.. I've just had my say as per. If you don't like it that's your issue.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

Dont know what its classed as....but its crap....and when i played spotify hot hits before when the kids were with me and I hadnt ever heard it and it came on it was a very awkward moment!

Might want to check your parental controls then. Not all music is for kids.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Haven't been rude.

Then I suggest you work on your self awareness.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Then I suggest you work on your self awareness.

Another snipe?... Have you forgotten this thread isn't about me?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Might want to check your parental controls then. Not all music is for kids.

Another unrelated personal comment.

[Ammi]

...I’m starting to read the title as ...Feminist Masterpiece Or Russell Brand?....

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I’m starting to read the title as ...Feminist Masterpiece Or Russell Brand?....

BOTH!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Another unrelated personal comment.

Yet another snipe at my view, rap is rarely child friendly why would this be any different?