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Crimson Dynamo · 23-11-2010, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rhino

Most parents just want their children to find a partner they'll be happy with, who wont beat or cheat on them - what sex they are does not matter

No, most parents want their children to find an opposite sex partner who does not so that.

Angus · 23-11-2010, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

that is not what Neevy said

please go back to her post

I have and that is what is implied in her post, or do you think there are other things more important in life than loving and being loved, because I certainly don't?

Ammi · 23-11-2010, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No, most parents want their children to find an opposite sex partner who does not so that.

I said most people - of course there are some that want an opposite sex partner who may cheat on them and 2.4 little darlings that may grow up to be crack heads or beat up anyone they don't understand and live in their perfect little neat world - thank god thats not a majority view

Ammi · 23-11-2010, 05:05 PM

[QUOTE=LeatherTrumpet;3932090]no bloke likes the thought of 2 blokes having sex or kissing.

natural selection/evolution dictates so.[/QUOTE

So why would a bloke think about it then - I never feel the need to think about anybody else having sex

_Seth · 23-11-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick

Not it is not.

Think of it this way Stu,

Would you rather watch Lesbian Porn or Gay Porn?
Obviously if my kids turned out gay I wouldn't watch them or get turned on by the thought of them doing it upstairs.

But I'd be much more happier with the fact my daughter and her girlfriend are doing it, than my son and his boyfriend.

I don't know why,
I'm not homophobic, I just don't like the thought of two males doing things to eachother.

Like I said, they can do it all they want just not around me and don't mention it to me and it's fine.

That might not be homophobia, but it;s blatant sexism. You wouldn't allow your son to do stuff, butyou'd daughter to based purely on the reason that she's a girl. Totally unfair. Hearing your gay son shagging and gay daughter shagging should be eaqually as freaky.

Crimson Dynamo · 23-11-2010, 05:07 PM

[QUOTE=rhino;3932155]

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no bloke likes the thought of 2 blokes having sex or kissing.

natural selection/evolution dictates so.[/QUOTE

So why would a bloke think about it then - I never feel the need to think about anybody else having sex

probably becuase he is on this forum and the gays are always banging on about it?

Smithy · 23-11-2010, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Phlip

That might not be homophobia, but it;s blatant sexism. You wouldn't allow your son to do stuff, butyou'd daughter to based purely on the reason that she's a girl. Totally unfair. Hearing your gay son shagging and gay daughter shagging should be eaqually as freaky.

It's really creepy too, being happy to listen to your daughter doing it but not your son :s (whereas it should be happy to listen to neither)

Crimson Dynamo · 23-11-2010, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rhino

I said most people - of course there are some that want an opposite sex partner who may cheat on them and 2.4 little darlings that may grow up to be crack heads or beat up anyone they don't understand and live in their perfect little neat world - thank god thats not a majority view

that does not make any sense

Benjamin · 23-11-2010, 05:12 PM

[QUOTE=LeatherTrumpet;3932159]

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Originally Posted by rhino

probably becuase he is on this forum and the gays are always banging on about it?

Not all of us mate

Ammi · 23-11-2010, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

that does not make any sense

I was trying to say that so many opposite sex relationships are not good they are really s***e in fact and they do all the so called 'normal' things and have kids but they may have a s***e life and their kids may have s***e lives so this would not be what you would want for your kids as oppose to them beeing gay and finding someone amazing and them being happy. Its finding the right person thats important not what sex they are - and the sex part is not something a parent should be thinking about anyway

Crimson Dynamo · 23-11-2010, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rhino

I was trying to say that so many opposite sex relationships are not good they are really s***e in fact and they do all the so called 'normal' things and have kids but they may have a s***e life and their kids may have s***e lives so this would not be what you would want for your kids as oppose to them beeing gay and finding someone amazing and them being happy. Its finding the right person thats important not what sex they are - and the sex part is not something a parent should be thinking about anyway

Being a homosexual is not just a sex life though is it. Finding out you son liked bondage is something a parent needs not know/care about. Finding out your son is gay makes a big diff to their lifestyle.

Vicky. · 23-11-2010, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Smithy

It's really creepy too, being happy to listen to your daughter doing it but not your son :s (whereas it should be happy to listen to neither)

I think it would be a different story if patrick actually had kids though. Hes young...a bit too young to be even thinking of it to be honest...

No parent would enjoy listening to the their child have sex...with anyone, unless they are a bit ****ed in the head :/

Novo · 23-11-2010, 05:30 PM

Think he means his daughters girlfriend......but even then.....

Stu · 23-11-2010, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick

Not it is not.

Think of it this way Stu,

Would you rather watch Lesbian Porn or Gay Porn?
Obviously if my kids turned out gay I wouldn't watch them or get turned on by the thought of them doing it upstairs.

But I'd be much more happier with the fact my daughter and her girlfriend are doing it, than my son and his boyfriend.

I don't know why,
I'm not homophobic, I just don't like the thought of two males doing things to eachother.

Like I said, they can do it all they want just not around me and don't mention it to me and it's fine.

That the stupidist thing I have ever read. If porn is the only analogy you can come up with to defend your views then I don't know how to engage you.

Homophobia is pretty straight foward, this is just downright bizarre. To be cool with your daughter having gay sex but not your son based on what you find appealing to wank off to when TiBB goes down on a Saturday night? It's gay sex either way. It's your offspring either way. I find it incredibly odd that you would find one creepy but not the other.

I think you need to seperate yourself from fantasy. The fantasy of two girls spooning around in the next door room might turn you on, but I have no idea how that translates to your own daughter.

And these people who are uncomftorable with two men having sex ... I'm not saying you are homophobic - in fact I'm against that and against outrage ready plonkers like Thomas - but I just don't understand where you lot are coming from.

Unless ... like ... they are having sex on your face? Or broadcasting it and putting you ...

... through this?

Vicky. · 23-11-2010, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Being a homosexual is not just a sex life though is it. Finding out you son liked bondage is something a parent needs not know/care about. Finding out your son is gay makes a big diff to their lifestyle.

Not necessarily. Many gay guys/girls have exactly the same lifestyle as straight people, just take a member of the same sex to bed with them...not all gays are into gayclubs, drugs and dragging strangers into toilets you know. Thats a bad stereotype. And to be fair, this happens in straight clubs too...quite often.

Being gay is not always a different way of life, just you do different stuff behind closed doors :/

Crimson Dynamo · 23-11-2010, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Not necessarily. Many gay guys/girls have exactly the same lifestyle as straight people, just take a member of the same sex to bed with them...not all gays are into gayclubs, drugs and dragging strangers into toilets you know. Thats a bad stereotype. And to be fair, this happens in straight clubs too...quite often.

Being gay is not always a different way of life, just you do different stuff behind closed doors :/

They dont get married (mainly). They dont have grandchildren. They dont have the same lives as all the other friends sons do.

Vicky. · 23-11-2010, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

They dont get married (mainly). They dont have grandchildren. They dont have the same lives as all the other friends sons do.

Many straight couples dont bother with marriage though.

And if marriage and kids is the only difference, thats a bit of a weak argument, as both of these can still happen for gay people...

Lee. · 23-11-2010, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu

That the stupidist thing I have ever read. If porn is the only analogy you can come up with to defend your views then I don't know how to engage you.

Homophobia is pretty straight foward, this is just downright bizarre. To be cool with your daughter having gay sex but not your son based on what you find appealing to wank off to when TiBB goes down on a Saturday night? It's gay sex either way. It's your offspring either way. I find it incredibly odd that you would find one creepy but not the other.

I think you need to seperate yourself from fantasy. The fantasy of two girls spooning around in the next door room might turn you on, but I have no idea how that translates to your own daughter.

And these people who are uncomftorable with two men having sex ... I'm not saying you are homophobic - in fact I'm against that and against outrage ready plonkers like Thomas - but I just don't understand where you lot are coming from.

Unless ... like ... they are having sex on your face? Or broadcasting it and putting you ...

... through this?

Ahh.. Stu, this all takes me back to our very first tiff!

Stu · 23-11-2010, 05:45 PM

Aren't we moving into the realm of family Vs. non family life here? Remember, that's a much wider issue than just the *****.

Ammi · 23-11-2010, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Being a homosexual is not just a sex life though is it. Finding out you son liked bondage is something a parent needs not know/care about. Finding out your son is gay makes a big diff to their lifestyle.

no its not about sex - sex is only a part of any relationship. Its about two people who connect and spark. It makes me feel happy to be around people like that and to feel their connection. It doesn't matter what sex they are. There are plenty of male/female relationships out that are not good and are quite destructive and gay ones also. When two guys are close and its described as a bromance its like awww how sweet, but if those two guys then have sex with each other its oh no I wouldn't want that for my son - well why? whats the difference? thats where the sex comes into it because some people don't like it - well they're not having it!! so thats fine then

Tom · 23-11-2010, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Haha I was thinking this too actually. In general fathers are much more protective of daughters when it comes to stuff like sex than they would be of a son

Probably because realistically women are seen as sex objects for men. A dad will probably congratulate his son on having sex because he's finally nailed someone but for a girl its more about being taken advantage of (even if a complete promiscuous slut) and will be more protective because he doesn't want his daughter seen in that way.

Thats just more to do with sex and sexism really.

Crimson Dynamo · 23-11-2010, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Many straight couples dont bother with marriage though.

And if marriage and kids is the only difference, thats a bit of a weak argument, as both of these can still happen for gay people...

you cannot seriously equate a gay marriage and adoption with that of a marriage and family?

Crimson Dynamo · 23-11-2010, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by rhino

no its not about sex - sex is only a part of any relationship. Its about two people who connect and spark. It makes me feel happy to be around people like that and to feel their connection. It doesn't matter what sex they are. There are plenty of male/female relationships out that are not good and are quite destructive and gay ones also. When two guys are close and its described as a bromance its like awww how sweet, but if those two guys then have sex with each other its oh no I wouldn't want that for my son - well why? whats the difference? thats where the sex comes into it because some people don't like it - well they're not having it!! so thats fine then

again. no idea what point you are making or how it relates to what has been said

Vicky. · 23-11-2010, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom

Probably because realistically women are seen as sex objects for men. A dad will probably congratulate his son on having sex because he's finally nailed someone but for a girl its more about being taken advantage of (even if a complete promiscuous slut) and will be more protective because he doesn't want his daughter seen in that way.

Thats just more to do with sex and sexism really.

Ah yeah I know why. My sister is currently having this argument with my dad, he used to kick off if we stayed out with lads, and would never let a bloke stay in our house for the night, or even through the day...not in our rooms. Even when we were 16. Yet my brother is 13, and is allowed to go to sleepovers with girls, and have girls staying over...

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

you cannot seriously equate a gay marriage and adoption with that of a marriage and family?

Not necessarily adoption, there are other ways of going about things, where the child would actually be yours. Though theres no problem with adoption.

And I see no difference between gay 'marriage' and straight marriage tbh...but then again to me marriage is nothing more than a piece of paper and a big expensive party.