[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by God

I wish people would stop saying assaulted, you make it all sound as if he was beaten and attacked. He was escorted off the train for not paying his fare.

And no offence, but I don't know many older people who don't pay their fare and then tell the ticket inspector to ****** off when he asks them for a valid ticket as the one they have provided is incorrect. It's easy to flip it to what if the person was old, but their attitude to the situation would be very different from the young lads and so probably never would have escalated to the situation that occurred.

The second part of your post is such a ridiculous generalization.

Old people arent rude and dont swear...basically. :S

I know quite a few older people who go on worse than most teens I know.

[fruit_cake]

I think the young man got what he deserved, but big man so far has not got what he deserves.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by God

That kid should have watched his mouth then and not had such an attitude if he was in the right. If he 'handed over the wrong ticket', like he claimed, he made no attempt to look for said correct ticket or to rectify the situation. This little scumbag deserved what he got and it's good to see some people will not tolerate being a pushover like the majority of the UK at the moment.

There's prcedures in place though and the Conductor should have known that, why did he not follow them and instead opened the floor for violence towards the lad? He pretty much invited people to throw him out by telling them they should be annoyed. The fat chav should be prosecuted and this incident investigated because the conductor handled it incredibly poorly.

Originally Posted by Omah

I don't know - I queried his intention re alcohol .....

It's relevant because the poster was using an alleged "diabetic" condition in the drunken lout's defence .....




Good job it was a foul-mouthed drunken young lout then .....

But you haven't answered my question, how do you know how much he had been drinking and what do you know about his drinking habbits? You must know a lot to make such accusations so please enlighten us. In fact please tell me about the lad's condition since you obviously know enough about his case to give him dietary advice.

The truth is you don't know and you're just making assumptions, what we do know is that he is diabetic and there was medication in his bag. Both would have been very easy to disprove if he was lying.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

But you haven't answered my question, how do you know how much he had been drinking and what do you know about his drinking habbits? You must know a lot to make such accusations so please enlighten us. In fact please tell me about the lad's condition since you obviously know enough about his case to give him dietary advice.

The truth is you don't know and you're just making assumptions, what we do know is that he is diabetic and there was medication in his bag. Both would have been very easy to disprove if he was lying.

If he's diabetic, why is he out getting drunk ?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Which part of the video drew you to that conclusion arista?

He tells the Rail Man - No
he ain't moving. at the start.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

He tells the Rail Man - No
he ain't moving. at the start.

Yeah but this doesnt mean he hates old workers...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah but this doesnt mean he hates old workers...

Yes because he was Old
he told him to Feck Off.



That Punk Held the Train Up.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

He's such a hero for attacking a diabetic teenager and refusing to let him get his medication. Give him a parade and gold plated statues in every city.

Slightly off topic but I love reading Daily Mail comments, it's like a list of everything that's wrong with the UK.

Diabetic teenager shouldn't have been out on the bevvy if he cannot be compos mentis afterwards.
Diabetic teenager should have been able to produce the 2 tickets that he claims he bought (he's now claiming that he was given 2 of the same type of one way singles..... ). Scotrail are checking this - and I'd laugh my socks off if that also was shown to be a lie.

Diabetic teenager was given his bag - no one refused him anything. Watch the vid again, it was thrown out to to by a person in a blue and white jacket, who reached for it as soon as he was removed from seat,. this is also confirmed by a woman's voice; shouting to the yob that his back had been put out also.

Also: watch the vid, the laddo tries to punch the big man - just as he's raised up from his seat - the big man stops the punch just as the boyo's clenched fist is about shoulder height.

Talking of the Daily Mail comments: you'll see that the vast majority are in favour of what happened.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Snowball

Talking of the Daily Mail comments: you'll see that the vast majority are in favour of what happened.

Shocking

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes because he was Old
he told him to Feck Off.



That Punk Held the Train Up.

He wouldnt have held the train if the conductor had known how to do his job properly and just radioed through to have the relevant authorities waiting at the next stop

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Shocking

[arista]

The Rude Punk is on BBC News.



Its gone Global.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

He wouldnt have held the train if the conductor had known how to do his job properly and just radioed through to have the relevant authorities waiting at the next stop

We do not know there was Staff for that.


The Big Bloke
Chucked him off
All Around the World they Like him.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

[/B]


We do not know there was Staff for that.


The Big Bloke
Chucked him off
All Around the World they Like him.

All this proves is that there are still people about who prefer violence/force to sorting things out the proper way.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And how do you know how often he drinks and how is it relevant? It doesn't give the lout the right to throw him about. At the end of the day the fat one was just looking for an excuse to stop dragging his fists along the floor and use them.

If it was a woman or an elderly man being thrown off I wonder if people would be so quick to jump to the fat man's defense then.

Talking of fists, the one person who did anything with their fist, was the yob, in trying to punch the big man,and he was lifted out of the seat that he refused to leave....

It matters not how often he drinks - and it is relevant because you mentioned him being diabetic -hence the reason the link was provided. If his diabetes was such a big issue: then he'd have been better not drinking at all, if that leads him to falling asleep on a train. He could have taken ill and been unable to self medicate.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

All this proves is that there are still people about who prefer violence/force to sorting things out the proper way.

Yes as to many times the Working Public
are held up because of Punk Students

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Snowball

Talking of fists, the one person who did anything with their fist, was the yob, in trying to punch the big man,and he was lifted out of the seat that he refused to leave....

It matters not how often he drinks - and it is relevant because you mentioned him being diabetic -hence the reason the link was provided. If his diabetes was such a big issue: then he'd have been better not drinking at all, if that leads him to falling asleep on a train. He could have taken ill and been unable to self medicate.

Again you just cant see the wood for the trees, Big man committed the first assault by grabbing gobby diabetic.

Doesnt matter what the idiot had done up until then, short of threatening to assault or actually assaulting the conductor, fat man has no rights to grab the kid and has assaulted him by grabbing him.

As for the drinking diabetic issue, maybe he shouldnt have drunk, thats his decision, you going to go round and twat every diabetic you see drinking or every drunk you see?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes as to many times the Working Public
are held up because of Punk Students

Well as long as you would think the same way if this had been a woman being chucked off the train in the video...or an elderly person.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well as long as you would think the same way if this had been a woman being chucked off the train in the video...or an elderly person.

No it was because he was male and rude

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

No it was because he was male and rude

I thought so.

Simply because he is a young male, its fine. Have a feeling this may be the same with the other people who are in support of the 'big man'

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Again you just cant see the wood for the trees, Big man committed the first assault by grabbing gobby diabetic.

Doesnt matter what the idiot had done up until then, short of threatening to assault or actually assaulting the conductor, fat man has no rights to grab the kid and has assaulted him by grabbing him.

As for the drinking diabetic issue, maybe he shouldnt have drunk, thats his decision, you going to go round and twat every diabetic you see drinking or every drunk you see?

I'll wait to see if the Big Man is charged with assault -if you and others feel it was, let's see what (if) the Police actually charge him with anything.

I don't believe he did assault anyone. It's a word people on here are throwing around to give weight to them backing this gobby guy up.

People should not be expected to have to put up verbally abuse in their workplace.

As for your final comments, that is ludicrous and has not one thing to do with this story.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Omah

If he's diabetic, why is he out getting drunk ?

Who's to say he was drunk? Even if he was does that justify assault in your eyes? I'm sure he knows his own condition and his limits better then you do.

Originally Posted by Snowball

Diabetic teenager shouldn't have been out on the bevvy if he cannot be compos mentis afterwards.
Diabetic teenager should have been able to produce the 2 tickets that he claims he bought (he's now claiming that he was given 2 of the same type of one way singles..... ). Scotrail are checking this - and I'd laugh my socks off if that also was shown to be a lie.

Diabetic teenager was given his bag - no one refused him anything. Watch the vid again, it was thrown out to to by a person in a blue and white jacket, who reached for it as soon as he was removed from seat,. this is also confirmed by a woman's voice; shouting to the yob that his back had been put out also.

Also: watch the vid, the laddo tries to punch the big man - just as he's raised up from his seat - the big man stops the punch just as the boyo's clenched fist is about shoulder height.

Talking of the Daily Mail comments: you'll see that the vast majority are in favour of what happened.

Same as I said to Omah, You're making assumptions on his conditions without knowing the specifics of his case. Just like you made the assumption that it'd be okay for the fat man to assault the lad on the off chance he might be a police officer despite the fact that if he was he would be trained to not agitate the siutation like that.

As for the Daily Mail comment, most of the comments on that page that state how wrong it was for the fat chav to assault have been downvoted while any stupid remark by the armchair warriors demanding capital punishment because teenagers are a blight on Britain and our future would be brighter if they didn't exist have been upvoted a lot.

It says a lot about the Daily Mail readership.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I thought so.

Simply because he is a young male, its fine. Have a feeling this may be the same with the other people who are in support of the 'big man'

I will be honest here: if it was anyone giving the conductor verbals the way this guy did: I don't care what age or sex the person is - I still would not have found fault.

He was asked to remove himself and get off the train several times. He refused. Could it have been handled better? Of course: but the one person who started it all off and continued it, was the yob. All the big man did was put an end to it.

He couldn't produce his ticket

He tone, attitude and behaviour overall was unacceptable.

He refused to remove when he was asked - several times.

Thereafter the lies appeared about him not being allowed to get his bag - when the bag is clearly thrown off the train.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I thought so.

Simply because he is a young male, its fine. Have a feeling this may be the same with the other people who are in support of the 'big man'

Yes as the Big Man got the Train going,

Someone else Chucked his bag out.



The Lad that Filmed it on his mobile
was speaking on bbc breafast and said the Big Man
helped,

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Snowball

I'll wait to see if the Big Man is charged with assault -if you and others feel it was, let's see what (if) the Police actually charge him with anything.

I don't believe he did assault anyone. It's a word people on here are throwing around to give weight to them backing this gobby guy up.

People should not be expected to have to put up verbally abuse in their workplace.

As for your final comments, that is ludicrous and has not one thing to do with this story.

No body is saying that the conductor should have to put up with verbal abuse in his work place, and I don't think anyone here is defending the boy either in his treatment of the conductor, the point is, the conductor should have followed proper procedure and called either the rails security or the police to deal with the boy, not give some random passenger the ok to physically throw him off the train.