[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Excuse me ? animal abuse is from those throwing fireworks and flares,bricks and bikes at the horses, good deflection though to try and blame the police,imo NO animals should be used for human safety or entertainment,I abhor horse racing, is that animal abuse ? i dont care what side you are on but to blame the police for those horses being hurt is just madness.

the horses are being used by the police there, right


and i don't think we live in middle ages anymore, so hardly necessary either to use horses

when you should be aware they can get startled in chaotic events like riots

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Excuse me ? animal abuse is from those throwing fireworks and flares,bricks and bikes at the horses, good deflection though to try and blame the police,imo NO animals should be used for human safety or entertainment,I abhor horse racing, is that animal abuse ? i dont care what side you are on but to blame the police for those horses being hurt is just madness.

Why take a horse to a riot? What reason is there...What can a horse do?
It makes no sense.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

then they just don't need to use horses in these sort of things





another disgusting thing from the police that animal abuse

You seem to be seeing things from a completely different perspective...


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[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The WPC whose horse bolted, has a punctured lung and has undergone surgery and 26 other officers were injured over the weekend

Damn this is awful...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The WPC whose horse bolted, has a punctured lung and has undergone surgery and 26 other officers were injured over the weekend

In a Phone Video
a Black Youth was clapping after she landed on her back


Just shown on Ch5HD AM Live

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by cherie

the wpc whose horse bolted, has a punctured lung and has undergone surgery and 26 other officers were injured over the weekend

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The WPC whose horse bolted, has a punctured lung and has undergone surgery and 26 other officers were injured over the weekend

That’s all so sad ...


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[user104658]

I do wonder if it would be better to leave the statues where they are, just ensure they're accompanied by the full history of the person depicted, including the controversies. You can't erase history unfortunately - but you can ensure that it's recorded accurately and without sentimentality or bias. Churchill was instrumental in defeating the Nazis. He was also a white supremacist and guilty of earlier war crimes. Those are the facts. I feel like one side doesn't like the former and one doesn't like the latter... But they're just historical facts.

I get why people are angry about the statues as they stand though. They very rarely include the bad, and paint people with some dark history as paragons.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I do wonder if it would be better to leave the statues where they are, just ensure they're accompanied by the full history of the person depicted, including the controversies. You can't erase history unfortunately - but you can ensure that it's recorded accurately and without sentimentality or bias. Churchill was instrumental in defeating the Nazis. He was also a white supremacist and guilty of earlier war crimes. Those are the facts. I feel like one side doesn't like the former and one doesn't like the latter... But they're just historical facts.

I get why people are angry about the statues as they stand though. They very rarely include the bad, and paint people with some dark history as paragons.

I agree with this, just listened to the Mayor of Bristol say the statue will be retrieved and put in a museum so a good compromise I guess, I don't want to walk around cities in the future and find them completely sanitised of all past history good or bad, the pyramids were built on misery for instance, are we suggesting they should be razed to the ground

[Nicky91]

also now to justify their actions, by mentioning george floyd as drugaddict criminal also kinda not getting the point of these protests

it's more about racism in general, not just one person

it is more than about time stopping racism to get debated by politicians, i mean they like debating anyway and this is a very topical important subject to be taken care off

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

also now to justify their actions, by mentioning george floyd as drugaddict criminal also kinda not getting the point of these protests

Floyd was a scumbag, but if any authority figures openly say that, their city will be a pile of ashes within a week That, and it's up to the police to kill unarmed people. It shouldn't have happened. Unless he was actively a physical threat to someone else there's no "justification" for the way it happened.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Floyd was a scumbag, but if any authority figures openly say that, their city will be a pile of ashes within a week That, and it's up to the police to kill unarmed people. It shouldn't have happened. Unless he was actively a physical threat to someone else there's no "justification" for the way it happened.

We live in a country where a White Boy from a wealthy family killed a Muslim boy and got out of prison in a few months and all is forgiven . Can we stop trying to bring up someone’s past when discussing their murder? it’s a disgrace.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

We live in a country where a White Boy from a wealthy family killed a Muslim boy and got out of prison in a few months and all is forgiven . Can we stop trying to bring up someone’s past when discussing their murder? it’s a disgrace.

I've not heard of that, what happened? Where/when/why?

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I've not heard of that, what happened? Where/when/why?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ester-52789025

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Floyd was a scumbag, but if any authority figures openly say that, their city will be a pile of ashes within a week That, and it's up to the police to kill unarmed people. It shouldn't have happened. Unless he was actively a physical threat to someone else there's no "justification" for the way it happened.

This is why people struggle to change their lives around because people just wont let them, what happened in the past is the past and people have the right to change their future for a better life.

Those who keep bringing his past as an excuse for his murder are closet racists

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Denver

This is why people struggle to change their lives around because people just wont let them, what happened in the past is the past and people have the right to change their future for a better life.

Those who keep bringing his past as an excuse for his murder are closer racists

This is a much wider problem in the digital / social media age... people can't change their worldview without someone digging up something from years earlier, putting them side by side and branding that person a hypocrite. People should be free to change their opinion over time! How else is anything ever going to change? "Safer" for people to not bother thinking about or changing their opinions to stay consistent.

I made some ****ing ghastly posts online in my teens - I'm just damn lucky that A) I did it anonymously and B) it was "the early internets" before social media and the forums I used don't even exist any more. It's also why I don't post on social media (not anything, ever) now.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Denver

This is why people struggle to change their lives around because people just wont let them, what happened in the past is the past and people have the right to change their future for a better life.

Those who keep bringing his past as an excuse for his murder are closet racists

The chap who was the statue in Bristol made his cash in the slave trade but became a great charitable philanthropist

So you must support the reerecting of the statue?

I mean he changed his life around so....

[Denver]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The chap who was the statue in Bristol made his cash in the slave trade but became a great charitable philanthropist

So you must support the reerecting of the statue?

I mean he changed his life around so....

Statues of slave owners should never become a thing especially in a country that has one of the biggest black population in a majority white country

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The chap who was the statue in Bristol made his cash in the slave trade but became a great charitable philanthropist

So you must support the reerecting of the statue?

I mean he changed his life around so....

We love a redemption story

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

also now to justify their actions, by mentioning george floyd as drugaddict criminal also kinda not getting the point of these protests

it's more about racism in general, not just one person

it is more than about time stopping racism to get debated by politicians, i mean they like debating anyway and this is a very topical important subject to be taken care off

Do you think they should debate drugs first, then getting rid of crime and then racism?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Do you think they should debate drugs first, then getting rid of crime and then racism?

no because racism has the bigger priority, since it has been around for like 400 years now

then crime (when handling criminal underworld you effectively also take on drugs)

also i don't think BLM is the correct movement, i would be more specific in a #SayNoToAllFormofRacism, so against any colour, religion, sexuality (latter would also take on homophobia which is also good if that is stopped)

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

no because racism has the bigger priority, since it has been around for like 400 years now

Do you think crime is a recent invention?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

no because racism has the bigger priority, since it has been around for like 400 years now

then crime (when handling criminal underworld you effectively also take on drugs)

also i don't think BLM is the correct movement, i would be more specific in a #SayNoToAllFormofRacism, so against any colour, religion, sexuality (latter would also take on homophobia which is also good if that is stopped)

But we are dealing with Covid and Brexit at the moment. What is the Dutch parliament up to, can they not assist in this?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

But we are dealing with Covid and Brexit at the moment. What is the Dutch parliament up to, can they not assist in this?

More than one thing is happening at once in the world. Shocker!

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

But we are dealing with Covid and Brexit at the moment. What is the Dutch parliament up to, can they not assist in this?

ours is more like, if we can stick to the 1.5 metre distancing while protesting, wearing face masks, gloves all the time the demonstrations are allowed to go on

only Rotterdam city council had cancelled one demonstration since it exceeded the limit of the amount of people, more out of precaution cancelled still though