[Jack_]

The thing is, the BBC provide more services than any other broadcaster in the UK. And there's something for everyone.

BBC iPlayer, six TV channels of varying degrees of genre that provide for people of all different ages and interests, ten (maybe more) radio stations with no adverts and again, a varying degree of genres and top class broadcasters better than any commercial station could and does provide, the BBC website, sport coverage like no other (just look at the Olympics schedule for this year) and BBC News (the best news source in the UK and probably worldwide).

I've more than likely missed several things out, and that's how vast a service the BBC offer.

Originally Posted by kizzy

we may even see 8 out of 10 cats on the BBC one day

Let's hope not.

As much as I like the BBC, when it comes to censorship they're nowhere near as relaxed as C4 are.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

nit picking much? It's a C4 show, you did include it in the list of stuff the Beeb offers, I was merely commenting on that.

Not nit picking Kate, just showing how wrong you are , you tried to make out as though you knew better about 8 out of 10 cats with your sarky comment.
In line with Kizzy's comment backing up your 8 out of 10 cats comment mabye beign shown on the BBC someday.

Perhaps if you were aware of just how invovled the BBC is with so many other programmes that you watch, but as your post earlier shows: you don't. If you play with fire: expect to be burnt. Or at least be humble enough to admit when you are wrong.

So no nit picking whatsoever - call it confirmation of facts.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Please stop from taking the thread off topic - something that you do more and more often yourself Kizzy - but are happy to throw that accusation onto others. Kate has asked that we respect that and I am happy to do so.

Care to answer the points I raised in respect of all other forms of Government funded businesses / organisations/ as I mentioned earlier - all of which do indeed have bearing...........

I have replied to your points pyra, they had relevance and were on topic.
Why you want me to into chapter and verse about other forms of government funded organisations I don't know...I stated the BBC already do have privately funded programming.
In conclusion...I don't agree with the licence fee. I don't think the quality of programming is superior to commercial stations, and I don't believe they are impartial as some feel a publicly owned station should be.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I have replied to your points pyra, they had relevance and were on topic.

Why you want me to into chapter and verse about other forms of government funded organisations I don't know...I stated the BBC already do have privately funded programming.

In conclusion...I don't agree with the licence fee. I don't think the quality of programming is superior to commercial stations, and I don't believe they are impartial as some feel a publicly owned station should be.

I thought Kate specifically wished to discuss the BBC. I believe she said very very clearly Kizzy, that the matter of the tv licence fee had been done to death and that she would like to expand on the merits (or not) of the BBC and if not: if the matter of the TV licence kept returning, that she wanted the thread closed.

It seems a bit disrespectful given that Kate wanted the discussion to evolve beyond the tv licence part, that you still continue to raise it, after Kate made it clear.

[MTVN]

Prefer Mock the Week and Have I Got News For You to 8 out of 10 cats tbh

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I thought Kate specifically wished to discuss the BBC. I believe she said very very clearly Kizzy, that the matter of the tv licence fee had been done to death and that she would like to expand on the merits (or not) of the BBC and if not: if the matter of the TV licence kept returning, that she wanted the thread closed.

It seems a bit disrespectful given that Kate wanted the discussion to evolve beyond the tv licence part, that you still continue to raise it, after Kate made it clear.

I am sorry you feel that way, maybe if you stopped questioning my reasoning behind my views I could stop having to reaffirm them for you.

I addressed all the issues raised in the OP in my conclusion.
If I have upset or offended kate then I will apologise.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Prefer Mock the Week and Have I Got News For You to 8 out of 10 cats tbh

I like both of them too.

Which reminds me, I haven't actually seen Have I Got News For You for a while: some of the humur in that is brilliant.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Not nit picking Kate, just showing how wrong you are , you tried to make out as though you knew better about 8 out of 10 cats with your sarky comment.
In line with Kizzy's comment backing up your 8 out of 10 cats comment mabye beign shown on the BBC someday.

Perhaps if you were aware of just how invovled the BBC is with so many other programmes that you watch, but as your post earlier shows: you don't. If you play with fire: expect to be burnt. Or at least be humble enough to admit when you are wrong.

So no nit picking whatsoever - call it confirmation of facts.

I'm not playing with fire, oh wait, I am cos I'm disagreeing with you. I wasn't aiming for a sarcastic tone when I said 8 out of 10 cats isn't on the Beeb, just raising a metaphorical eyebrow, bear in mind that tone doesn't always come across in written posts. If that's how you interpreted it, and it offended you I'm sorry. However, I believe I was right (it's stone cold fact - it's on C4) and if and when I am wrong, I am always humble enough to admit it, unlike your dog with a bone approach.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I am sorry you feel that way, maybe if you stopped questioning my reasoning behind my views I could stop having to reaffirm them for you.

I addressed all the issues raised in the OP in my conclusion.
If I have upset or offended kate then I will apologise.

that is the very nature of debates Kizzy, particular when issues that have nothing to do with the topic are thrown into the mix as some deflective to the subject matter at hand.

What about the BBC as a whole - for the entire range of services that it offers - which have been reiterated time and time again by many posters, forgive me if I have not seen your specific responses - though in fairness to me: I can't really recall much feedback on that side of things from you?

From some comments: it 'appears' you perhaps were not aware that they are involved in the production of programmes that you watch on non BBC stations.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I am sorry you feel that way, maybe if you stopped questioning my reasoning behind my views I could stop having to reaffirm them for you.

I addressed all the issues raised in the OP in my conclusion.
If I have upset or offended kate then I will apologise.

you haven't Kizzy.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Prefer Mock the Week and Have I Got News For You to 8 out of 10 cats tbh

Yeah, William "Rocket Man" Shatner on HIGNFY was surprisingly quick-witted for a man of 81 .....

"God Save The Queen:

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

I'm not playing with fire, oh wait, I am cos I'm disagreeing with you. I wasn't aiming for a sarcastic tone when I said 8 out of 10 cats isn't on the Beeb, just raising a metaphorical eyebrow, bear in mind that tone doesn't always come across in written posts. If that's how you interpreted it, and it offended you I'm sorry. However, I believe I was right (it's stone cold fact - it's on C4) and if and when I am wrong, I am always humble enough to admit it, unlike your dog with a bone approach.

No need for anything metaphorical eyebrows to be raised at all Kate. Let's deal with facts. You stated wrongly what I quoted in an attempt to belittle - it didn't work out, at least have the decency to admit that rather than make rather poor excuses for your previous comments.

It makes thing so much less complicated... don't you think?

From the lady who herself has mentioned about snipes...... I see you managed to tar yourself with that same brush that you want to tar other with, rather than discuss reasonable and with some degree of civility.

[thesheriff443]

you do know these shows are scripted and pre read to give those razor sharp comments.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

you do know these shows are scripted and pre read to give those razor sharp comments.

Nooooooo... tell me it's not so!

Of course we know that!

Well.... at least I do.

I'm not that daft.

Does it make any difference?

[Toxic]

I'm not happy with the BBC at all, almost all BBC shows are aimed at the older generation and the ones that aren't are terrible.

[thesheriff443]

for me it makes a difference when its pre recorded to someone being funny live.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

that is the very nature of debates Kizzy, particular when issues that have nothing to do with the topic are thrown into the mix as some deflective to the subject matter at hand.

What about the BBC as a whole - for the entire range of services that it offers - which have been reiterated time and time again by many posters, forgive me if I have not seen your specific responses - though in fairness to me: I can't really recall much feedback on that side of things from you?

From some comments: it 'appears' you perhaps were not aware that they are involved in the production of programmes that you watch on non BBC stations.

Debates develop and other relevent issues can be brought in to reinforce viewpoints....I see nothing wrong with that pyra, why are you being so dogmatic?...

In fairness to me I have pointed out the BBC have commercial interests with Virgin Media.....
It 'appears' that you refuse to accept I disagree with you on this issue.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Toxic

I'm not happy with the BBC at all, almost all BBC shows are aimed at the older generation and the ones that aren't are terrible.

CBBC is directed at the older generation. same with shows like Young Apprentice, The Voice with Jessie, Will. i. am. etc . Really? I'd never have thought.

Their education programmes for students etc, their wildlife, history, natural earth programmes are all directed for the older generations. Odd, I thought all age groups like and enjoyed these: certainly they are posted about enough in positive on this very forum: most of who have members in the younger generation bracket.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

No need for anything metaphorical eyebrows to be raised at all Kate. Let's deal with facts. You stated wrongly what I quoted in an attempt to belittle - it didn't work out, at least have the decency to admit that rather than make rather poor excuses for your previous comments.

It makes thing so much less complicated... don't you think?

From the lady who herself has mentioned about snipes...... I see you managed to tar yourself with that same brush that you want to tar other with, rather than discuss reasonable and with some degree of civility.

I see the gloves are off! I stated nothing wrongly. You included 8 out of 10 cats as a Beeb offering, I said it wasn't. I was right.

I'm not, and don't need to make excuses for anything, I offered you an apology if you chose (chose being the operative word - as you seem to thrive on taking offence where none is intended) to take what I said badly.

As for discussing things reasonably and with some degree of civility, nowhere in this entire thread have I not been civil towards you Pyra, or it would have been closed I'm sure. The only instances I can see is your rudeness and offensive comments to Joey, but that's between you two.

let's get back to the topic again please.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Debates develop and other relevent issues can be brought in to reinforce viewpoints....I see nothing wrong with that pyra, why are you being so dogmatic?...

In fairness to me I have pointed out the BBC have commercial interests with Virgin Media.....
It 'appears' that you refuse to accept I disagree with you on this issue.

yes, but seems that when I bring in very relevant info - you blank it Kizzy - hence why I did precisely the same with you.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

I see the gloves are off! I stated nothing wrongly. You included 8 out of 10 cats as a Beeb offering, I said it wasn't. I was right.

I'm not, and don't need to make excuses for anything, I offered you an apology if you chose (chose being the operative word - as you seem to thrive on taking offence where none is intended) to take what I said badly.

As for discussing things reasonably and with some degree of civility, nowhere in this entire thread have I not been civil towards you Pyra, or it would have been closed I'm sure. The only instances I can see is your rudeness and offensive comments to Joey, but that's between you two.

let's get back to the topic again please.

Where did I say it was a BEEB offering. Oh I didn't.

As I say: stick to facts Kate, because when you don't - that's when your stance becomes unstuck.

Oh .. let's get back on topic once you've had a bitch at me?

If you want to get into some slanging match Kate - be adult and take it off to PM - you don't usually have a problem when you're wanting to slang off anyone on here by PM. Don't be shy now - or is it a wee bit easier to try to do it publically to garner some support?

[Toxic]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

CBBC is directed at the older generation. same with shows like Young Apprentice, The Voice with Jessie, Will. i. am. etc . Really? I'd never have thought.

Their education programmes for students etc, their wildlife, history, natural earth programmes are all directed for the older generations. Odd, I thought all age groups like and enjoyed these: certainly they are posted about enough in positive on this very forum: most of who have members in the younger generation bracket.

As a young person I feel that the BBC is completely detached from me, I'd never really consider watching any of their shows because most of them are boring. I used to watch The Apprentice but I haven't watched a single episode this year, I also liked The Voice but now I find it more than boring, other than that I can't think of anything I'd actually go out of my way to watch.

'Comedy' shows such as John Bishop's Britain and Mrs Browns' Boys literally make me cringe at how unfunny they are, The Graham Norton Show is the only show I watch now.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

yes, but seems that when I bring in very relevant info - you blank it Kizzy - hence why I did precisely the same with you.

What have I blanked?....I read an replied to your posts, lets not start supposing things please.
I have made my point now, as have you if you have as much respect for the OP as you claim accept others have differing feelings on this topic.

[Niamh.]

Closing this as it seems to have run it's course.